Count Dooku and Ventress VS Arcann

BreakofDawn wrote:@JediJuice Look at Blade’s post. She’s a non-factor.

JediJuice wrote:

BreakofDawn wrote:@JediJuice Look at Blade’s post. She’s a non-factor.

Imagine still thinking that was legitimate

There had been moments during the extensive combat sessions when even Dooku had been hard-pressed to outduel the cyborg.

But then, Dooku had kept some secrets to himself. Just in case.

-- Labyrinth of Evil

“A wise master does not reveal all his secrets at once”

-- Star Wars: The Clone Wars S3 Ep14 ‘Nightsisters’

If Dooku wanted to end her, he would. He had not taught her all the Sith lore he possessed, but even the slender connection between them made her terribly vulnerable to his arts.

-- Yoda Dark Rendezvous

JediJuice wrote:@Blade_of_Dorin @BreakofDawn Why I don't believe the 'ragdolling' to be legitimate

Dooku has failsafes in place for each apprentice in case of rebellion or a confrontation, a move or power with a defense that he has specifically kept from them. He has one for Grievous;

There had been moments during the extensive combat sessions when even Dooku had been hard-pressed to outduel the cyborg.

But then, Dooku had kept some secrets to himself. Just in case.

-- Labyrinth of Evil

Deliberately held back the techniques used to defend against Force lightning from Savage;

“A wise master does not reveal all his secrets at once”

-- Star Wars: The Clone Wars S3 Ep14 ‘Nightsisters’

And Asajj Ventress is no different;

If Dooku wanted to end her, he would. He had not taught her all the Sith lore he possessed, but even the slender connection between them made her terribly vulnerable to his arts.

-- Yoda Dark Rendezvous

Dooku makes an effort to embed all of his ambitious underlings with easily exploitable weaknesses. The knowledge that Dooku withholds from Savage is enough to disable him, even in an enraged state, his secret manoeuvres allow him to immediately end a fight with Grievous, and the Sith knowledge he holds back from Ventress make her ‘terribly vulnerable’  to his arts.

Ask yourself which is more reasonable;

1. The idea that Dooku can raise a finger and nonchalantly ragdoll Asajj any time he likes - without so much as thinking about what he’s doing - when (at least) comparably powerful individuals like Mace and Anakin, can’t accomplish the same task with their full attention and powers focused.

2. Or that Dooku is using a technique - perhaps similar to the one Gethzerion used - with which he has not taught Ventress, who would be helpless to resist. This is a trend we see with all the Count’s apprentices, and reiterated in multiple sources.

Asajj being ragdoll fodder to Dooku-tiers ends in 2019.

KingofBlades wrote:Pure conjecture with no evidence supporting your idea Dooku is  using  some magic kryptonite with ventress's name on it

DC77 wrote:Trust me KOB you do not want to mess with THE JUICE.

Was Ventress ever taught to deflect or block lightning properly? If not, Dooku not revealing all of his secrets most likely refers to that.

Also, the evidence for it being sorcery is tenuous. We've already seen Jedi and Sith frequently manipulate the organs and arteries of other beings with mere gestures. Vader for one has already displayed this. The only part of what you're arguing is sorcery that I believe has merit is the bit about the memories, which could just as easily refer to telepathy, hence why his concentration was so easily broken if he was completely focusing both his mental and Force abilities on Ventress.

As for the "connection" bit, it most likely refers to a Force bond, which he's able to further exploit to hurt her and draw dark memories from her past to the forefront.

BaratoBhajji wrote:Bro she’s sub TFU Vader by Shadow Guard scaling

Jake wrote:@"Blade_of_Dorin" @BreakofDawn Why I don't believe the 'ragdolling' to be legitimate

Dooku has failsafes in place for each apprentice in case of rebellion or a confrontation, a move or power with a defense that he has specifically kept from them. He has one for Grievous;

There had been moments during the extensive combat sessions when even Dooku had been hard-pressed to outduel the cyborg.

But then, Dooku had kept some secrets to himself. Just in case.

-- Labyrinth of Evil

Deliberately held back the techniques used to defend against Force lightning from Savage;

“A wise master does not reveal all his secrets at once”

-- Star Wars: The Clone Wars S3 Ep14 ‘Nightsisters’

And Asajj Ventress is no different;

If Dooku wanted to end her, he would. He had not taught her all the Sith lore he possessed, but even the slender connection between them made her terribly vulnerable to his arts.

-- Yoda Dark Rendezvous

Dooku makes an effort to embed all of his ambitious underlings with easily exploitable weaknesses. The knowledge that Dooku withholds from Savage is enough to disable him, even in an enraged state, his secret manoeuvres allow him to immediately end a fight with Grievous, and the Sith knowledge he holds back from Ventress make her ‘terribly vulnerable’  to his arts.

Ask yourself which is more reasonable;

1. The idea that Dooku can raise a finger and nonchalantly ragdoll Asajj any time he likes - without so much as thinking about what he’s doing - when (at least) comparably powerful individuals like Mace and Anakin, can’t accomplish the same task with their full attention and powers focused.

2. Or that Dooku is using a technique - perhaps similar to the one Gethzerion used - with which he has not taught Ventress, who would be helpless to resist. This is a trend we see with all the Count’s apprentices, and reiterated in multiple sources.

Asajj being ragdoll fodder to Dooku-tiers ends in 2019.