Sedriss Runs the Windu Gauntlet

KingKopecz wrote:Shitdriss dies at 1

Blade_of_Dorin wrote:Yes, sub-Vader Sedriss beats RotS Mace, got it

Vaelias wrote:

Blade_of_Dorin wrote:Yes, sub-Vader Sedriss beats RotS Mace, got it

he isn't sub Vader by Dark Empire when he stalemates DE Luke who is > Yoda

BreakofDawn wrote:

Vaelias wrote:

Blade_of_Dorin wrote:Yes, sub-Vader Sedriss beats RotS Mace, got it

he isn't sub Vader by Dark Empire when he stalemates DE Luke who is > Yoda

...That just lowers Luke.

HeartoftheForce wrote:Luke only lasted against DE Sids because Leia unlocked his potential. A lot of people attempt to downplay this by saying it was "rudimentary" but this is ultimately an IU opinion of a second hand account. It's stated in the narration that Leia was unlocking more and more of Luke's power as time went on, and again, the DE comic is extremely abridged with some 20 minute cuts between panels. So the idea Luke "stomped" Palps even then is suspect.

i agree im in complete agreement that Sheev is beyond Luke at this point but recall that Sheev says that Luke is his " Greatest Foe" that would put him above Yoda,

but even then his showing against sheev was still much better than Yodas performance against Sheev lol

BreakofDawn wrote:

i agree im in complete agreement that Sheev is beyond Luke at this point but recall that Sheev says that Luke is his " Greatest Foe" that would put him above Yoda,

As Grey said: "greatest foe" more than likely refers to the person who's interfered with his plans more. Yoda tried to kill him, and failed. Luke redeemed his father, caused his death, caused the collapse of the Empire, and destroyed the Death Star. That's a more comprehensive resume than anything Yoda did.

but even then his showing against sheev was still much better than Yodas performance against Sheev lol

Again, that was a result of Leia amping Luke to the point that she was unlocking his full potential. It's not an indicator of baseline DE Luke.

there's no evidence that it unlocked his full potential,

im in agreement that her battle med was effective but his amp definitely wouldn't equate for the huge power gap of growth between ROTS Sidious and DE Sidious,

Vaelias wrote:those are two different occasions though, that is when Luke and Leia joined in Oneness not when Luke was dueling Palpatine amped by Leias battle med

BreakofDawn wrote:

Vaelias wrote:those are two different occasions though, that is when Luke and Leia joined in Oneness not when Luke was dueling Palpatine amped by Leias battle med

One is describing how Leia "continues" to unlock those resources, indicating that she's been doing it for some time, now. The other clarifies that it's Luke, not Luke and Leia, who's experiencing these new "resources". It's a separate page that clarifies Luke and Leia's Oneness, not this particular endnote.

HeartoftheForce wrote:The DE comic is extremely abridged. In the audio play Sedriss and Luke have an extended back and forth and statements imply Sedriss could have won if there was no interference

It's entirely possible that Sedriss' sub Vader statement applies to him before Palps empowered him. Either that or we discard the DE Luke > Yoda statement. Which to be fair was made at an OOU time where Yoda had never faced Sidious.

HeartoftheForce wrote:The DE comic is extremely abridged. In the audio play Sedriss and Luke have an extended back and forth and statements imply Sedriss could have won if there was no interference

It's entirely possible that Sedriss' sub Vader statement applies to him before Palps empowered him. Either that or we discard the DE Luke > Yoda statement. Which to be fair was made at an OOU time where Yoda had never faced Sidious.

TenebrousWay wrote:

HeartoftheForce wrote:The DE comic is extremely abridged. In the audio play Sedriss and Luke have an extended back and forth and statements imply Sedriss could have won if there was no interference

It's entirely possible that Sedriss' sub Vader statement applies to him before Palps empowered him. Either that or we discard the DE Luke > Yoda statement. Which to be fair was made at an OOU time where Yoda had never faced Sidious.

Doesn't he lose the same way in the audiobook? I had the audiobook on my computer a few years ago, if I recall correctly, it's basically the same thing - Sedriss is one-shotted by a force push after dueling Luke for a while. He manages to contend for some time but he's still one-shotted when Luke wants to do it. In the comics, it's also implied Luke didn't want to necessarily kill him, so it'd explain why he wasn't defeated outright.

There's also the quotes he's sub all of Sheev apprentices, which, even if we take into account his empowerment by Sidious, I don't think it'd necessarily changes that fact. Anyway, anyone who presents as a 'threat' to Luke post RotJ is difficult to gauge correctly.

Vaelias wrote:

Blade_of_Dorin wrote:Yes, sub-Vader Sedriss beats RotS Mace, got it

he isn't sub Vader by Dark Empire when he stalemates DE Luke who is > Yoda