S7 Tano vs The Grand Inquisitor

S7 Ahsoka Tano (Canon only)
VS
The Grand Inquisitor 


Distance: 15 meters apart 
Location: the halls of a star destroyer 


Bonus: duo unites to fight SOD Maul

Ahsoka wins. She's more powerful by a decent margin and much more experienced (the GI never fought in the War as I recall, only served in the Temple). She's also noticeably more skilled. S7 Ahsoka is probably S3 Kanan level.

Bonus: Maul wins.

Ahsoka ragdolls.

BoD wrote:S7 Ahsoka is probably S3 Kanan level.

Uh... 

King Joker wrote:

BoD wrote:S7 Ahsoka is probably S3 Kanan level.

Uh... 

"Probably". Ship feat might push her firmly above that.

The Grand Inquisitor gets rag dolled continuously.

BoD wrote:

King Joker wrote:

BoD wrote:S7 Ahsoka is probably S3 Kanan level.

Uh... 

"Probably". Ship feat might push her firmly above that.

That along with a dozen other things, lmao.

Given Ahsoka's showings in the Mandalore arc she should win after a decent fight but they both get steamrolled against SOD Maul if he's going all out. 

So long as Maul doesn't have another goofy moment.

Yea Ahsoka stomps, major mismatch

Make it Ahsoka vs 10 Grand Inquisitors and then maybe we have a contest.

After her performance against Maul, and especially her performance during the final two episodes, I feel utterly confident that Ahsoka would destroy the Grand Inquisitor.

Mismatch, Tano destroys

They both lose to SOD Maul

Ahsoka

Grand Inquisitor. Ahsoka was unable to easily ragdoll or defeat the Inqs during the Malachor episode, this is likely due to in depth knowledge on her style as she stomped them a few episodes before. Unfortunately for Ahsoka it takes the Grand Inquisitor less than 2 seconds to identify whose form and who taught her and develop a counter for it, we see this with Kanan. Since the Grand Inquisitor scales from the likes of 5th brother who was able to easily tear through S2 Kanan's defenses multiple times we can adequately say that he is out of her ragdoll range. This leaves Ahsoka with Sabers and I have outlined why the GI can simply use his vast knowledge of the archives to know exactly when and how she will strike. 

It's not that he's more powerful, nor more skilled, it's that he has the advantage of prior knowledge that has led him to victory before.

The G Canon Purist wrote:Grand Inquisitor. Ahsoka was unable to easily ragdoll or defeat the Inqs during the Malachor episode, this is likely due to in depth knowledge on her style as she stomped them a few episodes before. Unfortunately for Ahsoka it takes the Grand Inquisitor less than 2 seconds to identify whose form and who taught her and develop a counter for it, we see this with Kanan. Since the Grand Inquisitor scales from the likes of 5th brother who was able to easily tear through S2 Kanan's defenses multiple times we can adequately say that he is out of her ragdoll range. This leaves Ahsoka with Sabers and I have outlined why the GI can simply use his vast knowledge of the archives to know exactly when and how she will strike. 

It's not that he's more powerful, nor more skilled, it's that he has the advantage of prior knowledge that has led him to victory before.

Actually that's pretty fair. 

Also worth noting that the Inquisitors weapons are supposed to provide compensation for any skill gaps. At least in theory. I mean, why else would they be standard issue for them? 

Well now that I think about it if it's an open battle field GI could start flying and make Ahsoka wanna shoot herself.

TheNuisanceBird wrote:

The G Canon Purist wrote:Grand Inquisitor. Ahsoka was unable to easily ragdoll or defeat the Inqs during the Malachor episode, this is likely due to in depth knowledge on her style as she stomped them a few episodes before. Unfortunately for Ahsoka it takes the Grand Inquisitor less than 2 seconds to identify whose form and who taught her and develop a counter for it, we see this with Kanan. Since the Grand Inquisitor scales from the likes of 5th brother who was able to easily tear through S2 Kanan's defenses multiple times we can adequately say that he is out of her ragdoll range. This leaves Ahsoka with Sabers and I have outlined why the GI can simply use his vast knowledge of the archives to know exactly when and how she will strike. 

It's not that he's more powerful, nor more skilled, it's that he has the advantage of prior knowledge that has led him to victory before.

Actually that's pretty fair. 

Also worth noting that the Inquisitors weapons are supposed to provide compensation for any skill gaps. At least in theory. I mean, why else would they be standard issue for them? 

Well now that I think about it if it's an open battle field GI could start flying and make Ahsoka wanna shoot herself.

It's less about skill and more about intimidation. Having the blade spin that quickly makes it difficult for the opponent to counter and is meant to unnerve them so they make a mistake, like Kanan did when he tried to intercept the blade.

The GI can't intimidate Ahsoka, who's faced the likes of Ventress, Maul and Grievous. GI is sub EoS2 Kanan, who in turn is far below S7 Ahsoka.

S3 Kanan is above Ahsoka per the missile comparison. 

Could go either way. Probably the GI though.

HeartoftheForce wrote:S3 Kanan is above Ahsoka per the missile comparison. 

Could go either way. Probably the GI though.

I don't see how since Ahsoka has better feats than GI pre S7.

TheNuisanceBird wrote:Given Ahsoka's showings in the Mandalore arc she should win after a decent fight but they both get steamrolled against SOD Maul if he's going all out. 

So long as Maul doesn't have another goofy moment.

Ah yes, maul "going all out" is magically going to turn him from fighting evenly with her to "steamrolling her" 

The G Canon Purist wrote:Grand Inquisitor. Ahsoka was unable to easily ragdoll or defeat the Inqs during the Malachor episode, this is likely due to in depth knowledge on her style as she stomped them a few episodes before. Unfortunately for Ahsoka it takes the Grand Inquisitor less than 2 seconds to identify whose form and who taught her and develop a counter for it, we see this with Kanan. This leaves Ahsoka with Sabers and I have outlined why the GI can simply use his vast knowledge of the archives to know exactly when and how she will strike. 

It's not that he's more powerful, nor more skilled, it's that he has the advantage of prior knowledge that has led him to victory before.

S3 Ahsoka was able to survive grevious, a duelist trained in all 7 forms and whose tcw version is skilled enough that fisto admits he and his padawan have zero shot at victory in a typical battle. She proceeded to contend with a duelist a tier above "the best duelists ever" in maul.


But I suppose the inqusitor knowing she uses form 4 is a game changer here.   

Since the Grand Inquisitor scales from the likes of 5th brother who was able to easily tear through S2 Kanan's defenses multiple times we can adequately say that he is out of her ragdoll range.

Ahsoka's freighter pulling is miles more impressive than kanan and ezra's best feat, collectively pulling an escape pod). Why the hell couldn't ahsoka ragdoll the gi? Did you miss her holdng maul in place against his will?

freethedevil wrote:Ah yes, maul "going all out" is magically going to turn him from fighting evenly with her to "steamrolling her" 

If Maul does go all out what's to say he wouldn't? 

Maul while holding back during ROTS disarmed her quickly several times and Ahsoka was visibly tired after the first 30 seconds. His SOD incarnation that fought Mace Windu and sent back armies of droids shouldn't have an issue with Ahsoka.

TheNuisanceBird wrote:

freethedevil wrote:Ah yes, maul "going all out" is magically going to turn him from fighting evenly with her to "steamrolling her" 

If Maul does go all out what's to say he wouldn't? 

Maul while holding back during ROTS disarmed her quickly several times and Ahsoka was visibly tired after the first 30 seconds. 

People repeating this like it means something. He disarmed her, and nothing came off it until they were fighting on a construction site where ahsoka couldn't retrieve her lightsabers. If maul had done anything of note when ahsoka was with less than two lightsabers, this might matter. He never did, so it's a red herring.

As far as meaningful gains go, ahsoka catapulting maul several feat is easily the one that is most likely to result in a win depending on cicumstance. The only thing maul actually has from that fight is ahsoka needing to recharge, which gives him a way to eventually win. That's a farcry from steamrolling her.

The SOD version that clashed blades with mace once

 
If we're going to use non-existent scaling, please base it off fights that actually happened.   

shouldn't have an issue with Ahsoka.

What you think should happen on paper does not change what actually happened in canon. Given season 3 ahsoka gave grevious plenty of trouble, Maul, who grevious did more damage to in a single scan than maul managed against ahsoka in two minuites, really shouldn't be steamrolling anyone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK5vWgib5Fk

People repeating this like it means something. He disarmed her, and nothing came off it until they were fighting on a construction site where ahsoka couldn't retrieve her lightsabers. If maul had done anything of note when ahsoka was with less than two lightsabers, this might matter. He never did, so it's a red herring.

Have you actually watched the fight? Maul starts off overconfident, per Filoni:


"He is the stronger sword fighter, but he is very overconfident. Part of Maul's character is he underestimates his opponent, and he fails time and again to overcome this flaw."

The fight starts, and she's immediately on the defensive. The two then exchange blows for around 30-50 seconds before he manoeuvres through her defences and disarms her, before driving her back until she gets a hit in due to his overconfidence, allowing her to retrieve her lightsaber. The fact that he was able to disarm her so quickly is a clear showing of a gap in skill, whereby he was able to get through her defences and outright knock the blade from her hand. Her retrieving it doesn't change that. 

As far as meaningful gains go, ahsoka catapulting maul several feat is easily the one that is most likely to result in a win depending on cicumstance. 

BFR isn't a showing of skill or power in this case. She fell back and propelled him through the window using his own momentum, at which point he decided there was no point hanging around.

The only thing maul actually has from that fight is ahsoka needing to recharge, which gives him a way to eventually win. 

You're massively taking the significance of her needing to recharge out of context:

"When Ahsoka pauses and struggles at the break in the fight, it was really meant to show the toll it took on her to compete against Maul...I wanted it to take a lot out of Ahsoka to compete at his level."


AOTC Anakin vs Dooku situation. She's able to push herself to her absolute limit to defend against him while simultaneously exploiting his arrogance, but that does not make her remotely equal to him in power and skill, only enough of a challenge that she can - for a time - hold her own. 

If you need an example of other cases like this, Jai Maruk stated that Ventress was simply better than him, yet was able to hold her off for 30 seconds despite being far weaker and noticeably less skilled by a decent margin. 

That's a farcry from steamrolling her.

I agree.

If we're going to use non-existent scaling, please base it off fights that actually happened.   

The fight did happen, actually.



The fight didn't last long, but it definitely happened.

What you think should happen on paper does not change what actually happened in canon. Given season 3 ahsoka gave grevious plenty of trouble,

Season 5, and Grievous was pretty clearly winning the entire fight without much difficulty. He was laughing and had at least three opportunities to kill her but chose to either throw her or prolong it first. 

Maul, who grevious did more damage to in a single scan than maul managed against ahsoka in two minuites,

By did more damage



...you mean he kicked Maul. By contrast, Maul hit Ahsoka, disarmed her, kicked her again later on, and disarmed her of both blades in quick succession of each other. This is false.

Ahsoka stomps GI and solos Maul