Darth Caedus vs Darth Zannah

NotAA3 wrote:Caedus stomps.

ScionOfSkywalker77 wrote:Caedus can one shot with TK or FL. If he's feeling generous though he might go for a duel, in which case Zannah will last around 2-3 seconds. His scaling to Juke and Krayt just puts him out of her league.

ScionOfSkywalker77 wrote:He's stated to be the most powerful sith as of 41 ABY so he scales to Krayt as of that point.

ScionOfSkywalker77 wrote:He was throwing down with Kenobi before growing orders of magnitude more powerful so it tells us quite a lot. And the power disparity doesn't have to be big to allow Caedus massive superiority over Zannah.

Futhermore, the source in question comes from a cancelled book, making the events in question N-Canon, including that statement.

And even if it was somehow canon, it is very vague in the way it describes 'power', as simply power can mean a lot of different things besides Force powers per Chee.

Zannah crushes.

It being republished on SW.com makes it C-Canon by default. Try again.

It's hardly vague. But go on, tell me what else it could be referring too. I could do with the laughs.

"Say if we were having a debate on who was the most powerful sith ever, and a random sourcebook states that Sidious is, would that make it absolute, and render the discussion over, or would is still only be a matter of opinion and still up for debate??

"There's always going to be room for interpretation and debate. Is the power being measured referring to his mastery over the dark side of the Force, the governmental powers he wields as Emperor, or some combination of both?"

I'll bet 100 quid you have no viable argument for this.

Ash wrote:An unpublished book blurb being posted on SW.com doesn't automatically make the events of the book canon, since the book was cancelled. It should effectively retcon the entire blurb.

Backlash wrote:Zekk had been their daughter’s mission partner—and Jagged Fel’s rival for her affections—until a couple of years earlier, when he went missing in action during the Battle of Uroro Station. After a weeks-long search, the Solos and the entire Jedi Order had finally given up and declared him dead … only to have him show up six months later, fully recovered and romantically involved with an agent of the Hapan throne, Taryn Zel. Neither Zekk nor Taryn would discuss what had passed during those six months—or why Taryn had neglected to inform the Jedi of his survival—but Leia thought it likely they had been on a mission for Allana’s mother, Queen Mother Tenel Ka.

An unpublished book blurb being posted on SW.com doesn't automatically make the events of the book canon, since the book was cancelled. It should effectively retcon the entire blurb.

The context of the paragraph refers to a war with Caedus, a war not limited to defeating him in personal combat.  We can't just consider what he can do with the Force, but also his massive military powers he has at his disposal. Took a bit of digging but Chee and I agree on this as well.

In this case, the focus of the blurb in question is glossing over the fact that Zekk was facing Caedus's forces - aka his governmental military forces. I'd go with that interpretation over randomly asserting mid-paragraph that Caedus is the most powerful of the Sith Lords in only the Force. This isn't even considering that the only notable Sith Lords, Krayt and Vol, weren't even thought of until mid-way through Fate of the Jedi, the ladder not even being a character yet.

Based on your argumentation, this will be an easy 100 quid.

Again, that's not how the Canon policy works. Anything that is republished on SW.com automatically becomes C-Canon by default. You've provided no rationalisation for why blurbs for unpublished books are exempt from this long established rule, simply stated it. 

Q: So is Blood Oath still considered to be canon then? We just won't know the details of it, naturally.

Rostoni: No, Blood Oath is not canon.

These arguments seem familiar, almost like they were copied from a certain poster I've come to blows with in the past. Anyhow:

A) Chee's musings don't really help your case here, all he's saying is that any and all "supremacy quotes" are up for interpretation and debate... which is exactly what we're doing right now. He's not saying all interpretations are equally viable however, and in this case they're not (Mine is more viable).

B) The surrounding context doesn't actually tell us anything concrete about the nature of the power. More than that however, if it's political or militaristic power the quote is trying to convey, you'd think it would go with "man" or "figure" given both would better convey the breadth of what he has at his disposal, and would hold given his position at the head of the Galactic Alliance.

C) Instead, the quote specifies that Caedus is a "sith lord", who are primarily defined not by their military, but by their own personal power in the force. Given this we can likely deduce that it is referencing force power as opposed to anything else.

D) Let's be real here, there's no reason for all knowing OOU sources commenting on IU events to be subject to an OOU chronology, it's just a way for people to worm out of what they don't like.

Given your whole post just got decimated I wouldn't bank on that.

That aside, I asked for a viable pro-Zannah case, not an anti-Caedus one. Nothing's been posted for her so I'll consider that a concession of her uselessness on your end. 

Ash wrote:Cue Sue Rostoni, the Executive Editor of Lucas Licensing.
Q: So is Blood Oath still considered to be canon then? We just won't know the details of it, naturally.


Rostoni: No, Blood Oath is not canon.