Re: Plo Koon vs Xanatos

June 2nd 2019, 12:44 pm

The Cosmic Force wrote:Why is TPM Kenobi beating Koon relevant? For all, we know Koon grew in power from TPM to TCW.

That's what I'm saying.

June 2nd 2019, 12:46 pm

I just clarified the feat. I never claimed that it is relevant.

June 2nd 2019, 12:48 pm

The mission description for both is "defeat x in the Jedi saber arena".

June 2nd 2019, 12:49 pm

LOTL wrote:I just clarified the feat. I never claimed that it is relevant.

I never said you did.

June 2nd 2019, 12:51 pm

The main storyline/gameplay has him battling Tiin, Plo, and Mace. Mundi is not there IIRC and even if he is actually over there

Sparring matches have context, very few of them can actually tell the difference between combatants. One has to have an explicit confirmation, like Kenobi vs Fisto or Kenobi vs Koon to conclude superiority.

June 2nd 2019, 12:52 pm

Meatpants wrote:The mission description for both is "defeat x in the Jedi saber arena".

So I guess he defeats Tiin as well?

June 2nd 2019, 12:53 pm

Sparring matches have context, very few of them can actually tell the difference between combatants. One has to have an explicit confirmation, like Kenobi vs Fisto or Kenobi vs Koon to conclude superiority.

June 2nd 2019, 12:54 pm

Not sure of your assertion or implication

June 2nd 2019, 12:54 pm

The mission description is pretty explicit. The level ends when you "defeat" them.

June 2nd 2019, 12:57 pm

Is the Kenobi game canon to the legends continuity?

June 2nd 2019, 12:58 pm

June 2nd 2019, 12:59 pm

Yeah, so? He did defeat all of them.

You can't possibly be serious. I didn't think you were talking about that, because it is just too obvious. The way Plo phrases his defeat is obviously, by every grammatical, syntactical rule meant to convey that Kenobi actually defeated him, legitimately, in a way that is meant to indicate superiority. Moreover, Plo himself calls Kenobi his replacement, and cites that Kenobi's feat is a great accomplishment.

Comparing that to a blunt "defeat X" without any other context attached to it is not the best example of proving something.

June 2nd 2019, 1:04 pm

Obviously he beat all of them, but only one case is actually relevant, the one that actually proves a difference in power between the two combatants.

The battles against Tiin and Mace are not conclusive. It could be that Kenobi beat Tiin, but I am not sold on Kenobi beating Mace. For one, Mace has repeatedly proven to hold back, check the examples against Tiin, or Vos and he is meant to be at least a tier ahead of Obi Wan by TPM

June 2nd 2019, 5:43 pm

Can I have a quote Plo conceded inferiority to TPM Obi-Wan?

June 2nd 2019, 8:14 pm

Koon takes it with moderate difficulty. Xanatos is rather unimpressive in his showings against Jinn.

June 3rd 2019, 1:56 am

DarthAnt66 wrote:Can I have a quote Plo conceded inferiority to TPM Obi-Wan?

@Darthant66
https://youtu.be/SzEaADRS7Pk?t=1m57s
From the Obi Wan video game
I find this very dubious tbh. Just because Plo talks about him being his replacement doesn't mean he is his replacement yet. And it's blatantly unfair to lowball Plo because of this performance when Obi Wan beats practically everyone in that game including Mace Windu and Maul.

June 3rd 2019, 2:31 am

^True.

But even agreeing to Plo talking about him being his replacement not referring to the present(though there can be an argument made for that), "It's no small thing to defeat a Jedi Master in combat" is a clear indication that he did defeat Plo, when the latter represented his full abilities.

That might not be true for other Masters and we know the context behind how he beats Maul.

Either way, it's not the best of showings for Plo there, though it is irrelevant on the match here

June 3rd 2019, 12:27 pm

Xanatos.

June 16th 2019, 11:54 am

Koon never admits inferiority, he says it’s “no small thing to defeat a Jedi master”. That’s not the same as conceding that Obi-Wan defeated an all out Koon

June 16th 2019, 3:52 pm

Xanatos.

June 16th 2019, 3:57 pm

BaratoBhajji wrote:Koon never admits inferiority, he says it’s “no small thing to defeat a Jedi master”. That’s not the same as conceding that Obi-Wan defeated an all out Koon

^

Also, I'm not entirely sure about the outcome of this matchup. Xanatos was an extreme prodigy who can challenge Qui-Gon, though we need to factor in some of the context behind that. This is RotS Koon, but there's not really much difference here than in TPM. Koon has mastered Djem So, but Xanatos is more than capable of dealing with a strength based opponent on equal terms (a Qui-Gon before his strength starts declining). It comes down to whether Koon's hype of being one of the most powerful Jedi ever matches Xanatos' feats and extremely high connection to the Force.

June 16th 2019, 4:06 pm

BaratoBhajji wrote:Koon never admits inferiority, he says it’s “no small thing to defeat a Jedi master”. That’s not the same as conceding that Obi-Wan defeated an all out Koon

Sure. Whatever you say

June 16th 2019, 4:09 pm

DC77 wrote:Xanatos.

November 29th 2019, 8:32 pm

November 29th 2019, 9:38 pm

I’m quite confident that Koon could challenge Jinn at least as well as Xanatos did, so I’m with him.