So about King Adas..

Azronger wrote:His existence predates the Jedi Order, but he supposedly exemplified the prehistoric Sith ideal, and the Sith people in general were all about conquest and a rigid caste hierarchy, so I'm guessing he would just have seen the Jedi and the Republic as another civilization to be assimilated into the Sith Empire like Naga Sadow, instead of viewing them as a mutually exclusive philosophical/religious rival like later incarnations of the Sith Order did.

Vaelias wrote:Not to mention how Adas > Maul
Meaning either Mauls a complete Bitch or Adas is a complete god which would also mean the sith hadn’t accomplished anything in about 30,000 years hahaha

Zenwolf wrote:

Vaelias wrote:Not to mention how Adas > Maul
Meaning either Mauls a complete Bitch or Adas is a complete god which would also mean the sith hadn’t accomplished anything in about 30,000 years hahaha

How's he > Maul?

Cos his Holocron was more powerful than Quigon cos it fucked him up, and Quigon is equal to TPM maul in the force, and a persons holocron is significantly weaker than the actual person

Master Azronger wrote:@Vaelias

Cos his Holocron was more powerful than Quigon cos it fucked him up, and Quigon is equal to TPM maul in the force, and a persons holocron is significantly weaker than the actual person

Can you cite your sources for your first and last claim?

Jedi Quest Special Addition wrote: Qui-Gon immediately anchored himself to the cliff and reached out to the Force to try and stop the fall. But the dark energy in the giant crevasse worked against him. He felt oddly exhausted and had little ability to concentrate.

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"I don't see anything," Obi-Wan said. His voice sounded strangely hollow, and Qui-Gon wasn't sure if it was because of the chasm, his fall, or because they were so close to the Holocron. The concentration of dark knowledge could tap one's strength. He certainly weakened himself. But the strange hollow feeling also let Qui-Gon know they were on the right track. He felt at once repelled and drawn closer.

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Qui-Gon's mind reeled. He could feel that they were close to the Holocron. Very close. He tried to focus, to find its location, but the dark side was playing tricks with his mind. It was so near and still beyond his mental vision. There was so much he didn't understand. If Lundi had held the Holocron, where was it now? Did someone else have it? Had he been unable to handle the power?

Returning from Mos Espa with Anakin Skywalker, Qui-Gon is ambushed by a figure in flowing dark robes - it is the evil Darth Maul. Ordering Anakin to the ship, Qui-Gon matches his awesome Jedi skill against the Sith Lord's sinister power. Both escape with their lives, but it would not be their last meeting.
-Tatooine Showdown

He meets my strength. Our lightsabers clash and sizzle. Dust and sand rise around us. I never lose my rhythm.
-Episode 1 Journal: Darth Maul

Kenobi shot him a sharp look. "We may well only encounter Sith artifacts on Zigoola, but they could be as dangerous as the Sith who made them." His lips twisted in a thin, unamused smile.

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LOTL wrote:Yeah, there is still no basis for the force user in question being above his holocron by any substantial amount. Quite the opposite:

Kenobi shot him a sharp look. "We may well only encounter Sith artifacts on Zigoola, but they could be as dangerous as the Sith who made them." His lips twisted in a thin, unamused smile.

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Considering the only major Sith holocron he has encountered in lore, twice, and knows its power very well, is Adas's holocron, this could very well be an indication of parity between the two. At the very least, even if he is outright excluding Adas's holocron, it at least sets a precedent that it is completely possible for a holocron to be as strong as the Sith that made them.

Vaelias wrote:

LOTL wrote:Yeah, there is still no basis for the force user in question being above his holocron by any substantial amount. Quite the opposite:

Kenobi shot him a sharp look. "We may well only encounter Sith artifacts on Zigoola, but they could be as dangerous as the Sith who made them." His lips twisted in a thin, unamused smile.

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Considering the only major Sith holocron he has encountered in lore, twice, and knows its power very well, is Adas's holocron, this could very well be an indication of parity between the two. At the very least, even if he is outright excluding Adas's holocron, it at least sets a precedent that it is completely possible for a holocron to be as strong as the Sith that made them.

Holocrons and spirits are generally a substantial amount weaker than the actual incarnation of that person, and that quote u provided also supports this, “they could be as powerful as the sith who made them” implies that they are by default weaker than the actual sith, but may at the most be on par with the actual sith, even if this was the case quigon was overwhelmed by the holocron meaning that at the very least King Adas is more powerful than Quigon, but he is likely quite a fair bit more powerful, I fail to see how this could possibly mean parity at most. However I am open to some ideas cos this doesn’t actually make much sense and is very conflicting with other sources, it could just be that quigon defenses were down or something

"Yes. But our circumstances have changed significantly since then," Kenobi retorted. "We have the information we sought from your contact. To be blunt, Senator Organa, I no longer need you. And while your political achievements might be admirable, this stubborn insistence on childish heroics is not!"

Silence. Bail stared at him, stunned. Nobody spoke to him like that. Nobody. And then, as the tide of his own anger rose, he saw something flicker deep in Kenobi's eyes. Understanding dawned.

"You're afraid."

Now it was Kenobi's turn to be stunned.

"Politician, not moron," he explained, very dry. "Also not blind. What aren't you telling me, Master Kenobi? Did you dream about Zigoola as well as those firebeetles? What has the Force shown you that has you so concerned?"

Kenobi began pacing, one hand rubbing the back of his neck, fingers kneading at the muscles. It was another reminder that while the man might be a Jedi, he was also human.

"Nothing."

Because the dark side clouds everything.

"And that's why you're afraid."

Kenobi shot him a sharp look. "We may well only encounter Sith artifacts on Zigoola, but they could be as dangerous as the Sith who made them." His lips twisted in a thin, unamused smile.

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Through a smearing crimson haze he stared at what he held: an ancient black glass pyramid, Sith sigils tracing its surface blood-red. Holocron. It felt alive in his fingers, vibrant with hate and rage and fear and loathing. Vibrant with raw power. Alive with the dark side as he had never felt it before, or ever thought to. Such a small thing to contain so great and malevolent a power.

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Master Azronger wrote:@Vaelias Firstly, what evidence is there that even is Adas's Holocron?.