Exar Kun vs Darth Plagueis

Kun as of TotJ

Who wins?

Plagueis stomps

Sub-Malak opponent dies

Who do you think?

Do I want to climb up this hill? Guess we'll see. Plagueis is strong, but not even more than Kun.

Did you ask that to authors on Twitter?

Plagueis wins with negligible effort lol

Plagueis. Why is this even a fight?

Plagy one shots

This is Kun right before the WoL but after the ritual. He roflstomps.

Plagueis' scaling is already matched by characters inferior to Kun, his actual combative feats are absolutely not beyond Kun and his 'galactic' feats are either full of context or aren't something that Kun doesn't already have himself.

People make this out as a stomp but provide absolutely fuck-all reason for why this is so. Typical.

@LadyKulvax: I assume you are voting Kun in the tournament then?

That argument will come in time.

I could see a case for a full-power JA Kun winning, but not pre-ritual TotJ.

TPM Sidious is already the most powerful Sith in galactic history, and he was scared to fight Plagueis.

Also, Plagueis is "the most powerful Sith Lord ever", which makes him > Exar Kun.

Both of those quotes aren't applicable, lol. Why do Sheevites have to rely so heavily on supremacy quotes?

Why aren't they applicable? I've just looked at your post for Exar Kun in the Top 15 tourney and you use supremacy quotes as well. It seems like you aren't opposed to the idea of supremacy quotes, so what is different about the Plagueis supremacy quote?

Plagueis' quote is a publisher's blurb. Sheev's are from the DK Readers books. Better yet, Leland Chee himself doesn't take any of the supremacy quotes as defknitive and neither does Lucasfilm Licensing. I see no reason to view them as indisputable when Chee himself doesn't.

IG wrote:This is Kun right before the WoL but after the ritual. He roflstomps.

Why?

Because it’s > JA Kun who beat Luke.Yeah I know he was in Kyp’s body, but it was used as a medium to exercise his own power—less than ritual Kun pre WoT.

Jacen wrote:Why aren't they applicable? I've just looked at your post for Exar Kun in the Top 15 tourney and you use supremacy quotes as well. It seems like you aren't opposed to the idea of supremacy quotes, so what is different about the Plagueis supremacy quote?

There is a bit of a double standard going on. Kun himself has two supremacy quotes, and from better sources than publisher's burbs and DK novels (which are S canon at absolute best), yet Sheevites seem to find the latter credible and not the former 

People only use Supremacy quotes when the suit the argument of the one using them. And the argument is often "LOOK AT MY SUPREMACY QUOTE GUYS GG" rather than any form of reasoning beyond that quote. When the highest canonical sources say that such quotes are not the end-all like they are being treated

Decaf_Beverages wrote:

Jacen wrote:Why aren't they applicable? I've just looked at your post for Exar Kun in the Top 15 tourney and you use supremacy quotes as well. It seems like you aren't opposed to the idea of supremacy quotes, so what is different about the Plagueis supremacy quote?

There is a bit of a double standard going on. Kun himself has two supremacy quotes, and from better sources than publisher's burbs and DK novels (which are S canon at absolute best), yet Sheevites seem to find the latter credible and not the former 

People only use Supremacy quotes when the suit the argument of the one using them. And the argument is often "LOOK AT MY SUPREMACY QUOTE GUYS GG" rather than any form of reasoning beyond that quote. When the highest canonical sources say that such quotes are not the end-all like they are being treated

Prove that Kun's supremacy quotes come from better sources and that DK books are S-canon. Also, publishing dates matter with supremacy quotes (later sources retcon previous ones if the information is conflicting), so favoring Plagueis's accolades isn't in itself a double standard (not to mention that it's heavily arguably Kun's quotes only extend up to his time).

Azronger wrote:

Decaf_Beverages wrote:

Jacen wrote:Why aren't they applicable? I've just looked at your post for Exar Kun in the Top 15 tourney and you use supremacy quotes as well. It seems like you aren't opposed to the idea of supremacy quotes, so what is different about the Plagueis supremacy quote?

There is a bit of a double standard going on. Kun himself has two supremacy quotes, and from better sources than publisher's burbs and DK novels (which are S canon at absolute best), yet Sheevites seem to find the latter credible and not the former 

People only use Supremacy quotes when the suit the argument of the one using them. And the argument is often "LOOK AT MY SUPREMACY QUOTE GUYS GG" rather than any form of reasoning beyond that quote. When the highest canonical sources say that such quotes are not the end-all like they are being treated

Prove that Kun's supremacy quotes come from better sources and that DK books are S-canon. Also, publishing dates matter with supremacy quotes (later sources retcon previous ones if the information is conflicting), so favoring Plagueis's accolades isn't in itself a double standard (not to mention that it's heavily arguably Kun's quotes only extend up to his time).

Plagueis's "greatest Sith" quote comes from a publisher's blurb. I shouldn't have to explain what that is S canon at absolute best and non-canon at worst.

@Azronger Your banner/signature distresses me.

Decaf_Beverages wrote:

Azronger wrote:

Decaf_Beverages wrote:

Jacen wrote:Why aren't they applicable? I've just looked at your post for Exar Kun in the Top 15 tourney and you use supremacy quotes as well. It seems like you aren't opposed to the idea of supremacy quotes, so what is different about the Plagueis supremacy quote?

There is a bit of a double standard going on. Kun himself has two supremacy quotes, and from better sources than publisher's burbs and DK novels (which are S canon at absolute best), yet Sheevites seem to find the latter credible and not the former 

People only use Supremacy quotes when the suit the argument of the one using them. And the argument is often "LOOK AT MY SUPREMACY QUOTE GUYS GG" rather than any form of reasoning beyond that quote. When the highest canonical sources say that such quotes are not the end-all like they are being treated

Prove that Kun's supremacy quotes come from better sources and that DK books are S-canon. Also, publishing dates matter with supremacy quotes (later sources retcon previous ones if the information is conflicting), so favoring Plagueis's accolades isn't in itself a double standard (not to mention that it's heavily arguably Kun's quotes only extend up to his time).

Plagueis's "greatest Sith" quote comes from a publisher's blurb. I shouldn't have to explain what that is S canon at absolute best and non-canon at worst.

Yeah I don't care about that. I asked about the DK books, not the blurb.