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The LostLevel Five
Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 6:19 am
Yoda obviously wins, but how much of a fight does Vader put up?
Hell, some of you would argue Vader wins, so bash on.
Hell, some of you would argue Vader wins, so bash on.
trayvon
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 9:13 am
Brutal fight, I need to hear a proper case for Vader though.
MasterCilghalLevel Three
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 9:27 am
Yoda wins but I question the idea of the fight being a stomp for him.
Haggis
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 9:30 am
Stomp or not, I don't see Vader winning.
NevesYtneves (DC77)Level Seven
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 12:53 pm
Vader's winning...
Under no circumstances.
Under no circumstances.
GuestGuest
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 12:53 pm
It is a stomp.
AOTC Yoda> AOTC Dooku>AOTC Anakin>Vader.
AOTC Yoda> AOTC Dooku>AOTC Anakin>Vader.
Blade_of_DorinLevel One
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 1:15 pm
AotC Anakin>RotJ Vader? wtfArkhamAsylum3 wrote:It is a stomp.
AOTC Yoda> AOTC Dooku>AOTC Anakin>Vader.
- GuestGuest
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 1:26 pm
Blade_of_Dorin wrote:AotC Anakin>RotJ Vader? wtfArkhamAsylum3 wrote:It is a stomp.
AOTC Yoda> AOTC Dooku>AOTC Anakin>Vader.
I was shitposting lmao. Yoda does stomp though.
SithSauceLevel One
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 3:39 pm
SithArchaeologist wrote:Yoda ragdolls.
Like he ragdolled Dooku?
- GuestGuest
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 3:41 pm
SithSauce wrote:SithArchaeologist wrote:Yoda ragdolls.
Like he ragdolled Dooku?
Dooku is > Vader though.
- SithSauceLevel One
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 3:46 pm
ArkhamAsylum3 wrote:SithSauce wrote:SithArchaeologist wrote:Yoda ragdolls.
Like he ragdolled Dooku?
Dooku is > Vader though.
Even if you believe that (which I do to an extent), that doesn't mean Yoda can ragdoll him. As others like yourself have pointed out that Dooku was tired when he faced Yoda. If Yoda couldn't ragdoll a tired Dooku then he isn't ragdolling Vader....At all
- SithSauceLevel One
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 3:51 pm
TheGlory wrote:Stomp or not, I don't see Vader winning.
I don't think its a stomp at all tbh. Yoda wins with some level of difficulty.
PeraltaEagle45
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 3:51 pm
SithSauce wrote:ArkhamAsylum3 wrote:SithSauce wrote:SithArchaeologist wrote:Yoda ragdolls.
Like he ragdolled Dooku?
Dooku is > Vader though.
Even if you believe that (which I do to an extent), that doesn't mean Yoda can ragdoll him. As others like yourself have pointed out that Dooku was tired when he faced Yoda. If Yoda couldn't ragdoll a tired Dooku then he isn't ragdolling Vader....At all
Dooku>>Vader
There's also a difference between can and will.
- SithSauceLevel One
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 3:55 pm
SithArchaeologist wrote:SithSauce wrote:ArkhamAsylum3 wrote:SithSauce wrote:SithArchaeologist wrote:Yoda ragdolls.
Like he ragdolled Dooku?
Dooku is > Vader though.
Even if you believe that (which I do to an extent), that doesn't mean Yoda can ragdoll him. As others like yourself have pointed out that Dooku was tired when he faced Yoda. If Yoda couldn't ragdoll a tired Dooku then he isn't ragdolling Vader....At all
Dooku>>Vader
There's also a difference between can and will.
Dooku can't be >> Vader because he is around his level along with Maul.
As a Dooku fan myself, he doesn't deserve to be bumped up so high when he was never intended in the first place to be all that powerful. Sure he has shown some great feats for sure, but in the end just like Maul and Vader. Ultimately Dooku never surpassed his master, nor was he ever close to surpassing him. He made for a decent apprentice, and that's that.
- GuestGuest
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 4:01 pm
@SithSauce
And you have provided no proof that Vader is even close to tired Dooku so please tell me why I should care.
@SithArchaeologist
I severely doubt Yoda can ragdoll Dooku when he's unable to breach his guard for 40 seconds despite using his "full Jedi Powers".
Even if you believe that (which I do to an extent), that doesn't mean Yoda can ragdoll him. As others like yourself have pointed out that Dooku was tired when he faced Yoda. If Yoda couldn't ragdoll a tired Dooku then he isn't ragdolling Vader....At all
And you have provided no proof that Vader is even close to tired Dooku so please tell me why I should care.
@SithArchaeologist
Dooku>>Vader
There's also a difference between can and will.
I severely doubt Yoda can ragdoll Dooku when he's unable to breach his guard for 40 seconds despite using his "full Jedi Powers".
- trayvon
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 4:21 pm
Who is SithSauce, very dopey chap.
- SithSauceLevel One
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 4:33 pm
ArkhamAsylum3 wrote:@SithSauce
Even if you believe that (which I do to an extent), that doesn't mean Yoda can ragdoll him. As others like yourself have pointed out that Dooku was tired when he faced Yoda. If Yoda couldn't ragdoll a tired Dooku then he isn't ragdolling Vader....At all
And you have provided no proof that Vader is even close to tired Dooku so please tell me why I should care.
No need to be so snarky. And what proof have you provided for Dooku being >>>Vader? If Dooku is superior to Vader, it isn't by much at all.
"From then on, he wasn’t as strong as the Emperor – he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn’t what he was supposed to become"- George Lucas ( referring to Vader)
Vader has tones of quotes and feats suggesting he is comparable to Dooku. Read his respect thread by Zapan if you want to look into it... I suspect you haven't since you have been lowballing him a lot. AOTC Anakin>Vader? Hero of Tyhon>Vader? LMAO no
- SithSauceLevel One
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 4:38 pm
Jake wrote:Who is SithSauce, very dopey chap.
Because I have an opinion that doesn't align with other debaters?
Oh well that's the price I have to pay if I don't follow a particular fan brigade.
- trayvon
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 4:41 pm
SithSauce wrote:Because I have an opinion that doesn't align with other debaters?
Oh well that's the price I have to pay if I don't follow a particular brigade.
- SithSauceLevel One
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 4:57 pm
Jake wrote:SithSauce wrote:Because I have an opinion that doesn't align with other debaters?
Oh well that's the price I have to pay if I don't follow a particular brigade.
K?
- GuestGuest
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 5:24 pm
@SithSauce
It's my posting style. Get used to it.
Absolutely nothing but that's because I don't have to. You were the one who made the claim the two are relative so you have to prove it.
Apparently, all Vader has is vague quotes which supposedly put him on par with Dooku. The quote says he was "like Darth Maul or Count Dooku" which isn't exactly very compelling evidence as I could easily say Vader is "like" them in the sense that he's weaker than Sidious.
Why don't you post some then?
Why should I go look through an entire respect thread to get an accurate measurement on a character's power? RT's often aren't accurate and contain misinterpretation of quotes etc hence why I don't think relying on them is the greatest idea. The best way to get knowledge of a character is by reading debates featuring them and most importantly reading the primary source material. And in the primary material, Vader hasn't impressed me much.
Holding him at TCW Maul/ROTS Kenobi level is hardly lowballing. It's merely an accurate assessment of his abilities.
I was shitposting as I clarified earlier in the thread.
An arguable position.
Absolutely yes.
No need to be so snarky.
It's my posting style. Get used to it.
And what proof have you provided for Dooku being >>>Vader?
Absolutely nothing but that's because I don't have to. You were the one who made the claim the two are relative so you have to prove it.
If Dooku is superior to Vader, it isn't by much at all.
Apparently, all Vader has is vague quotes which supposedly put him on par with Dooku. The quote says he was "like Darth Maul or Count Dooku" which isn't exactly very compelling evidence as I could easily say Vader is "like" them in the sense that he's weaker than Sidious.
Vader has tones of quotes and feats suggesting he is comparable to Dooku.
Why don't you post some then?
Read his respect thread by Zapan if you want to look into it...
Why should I go look through an entire respect thread to get an accurate measurement on a character's power? RT's often aren't accurate and contain misinterpretation of quotes etc hence why I don't think relying on them is the greatest idea. The best way to get knowledge of a character is by reading debates featuring them and most importantly reading the primary source material. And in the primary material, Vader hasn't impressed me much.
I suspect you haven't since you have been lowballing him a lot.
Holding him at TCW Maul/ROTS Kenobi level is hardly lowballing. It's merely an accurate assessment of his abilities.
AOTC Anakin>Vader?
I was shitposting as I clarified earlier in the thread.
Hero of Tyhon>Vader?
An arguable position.
Absolutely not.
Absolutely yes.
dark-sith123
Re: Darth Vader (RotJ) vs Yoda (AotC)
May 17th 2019, 5:41 pm
Vader puts up an acceptable fight but will not better his adversary.
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