Jaina Solo vs Cade skywalker

DC77 wrote:Jaina.

DC77 wrote:@ILS I could be swayed to Cade's side and maybe not every round but as of now I still see her taking a majority due to her general established position as one of the NJO top dogs as of FOTJ.

On most days, that would have been an easy job for two Jedi Masters and Jaina Solo, who, as Sword of the Jedi, had proven time and again that she was the combat equal of anyone in the Order.

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mastercilghal wrote:This Jaina has a great accolade: 

On most days, that would have been an easy job for two Jedi Masters and Jaina Solo, who, as Sword of the Jedi, had proven time and again that she was the combat equal of anyone in the Order.

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There’s even a point where it is stated that Jaina is the sword of the Jedi and Luke isn’t, implying greater skill, but That of course is an hyperbole.

TheGlory wrote:

mastercilghal wrote:This Jaina has a great accolade: 

On most days, that would have been an easy job for two Jedi Masters and Jaina Solo, who, as Sword of the Jedi, had proven time and again that she was the combat equal of anyone in the Order.

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There’s even a point where it is stated that Jaina is the sword of the Jedi and Luke isn’t, implying greater skill, but That of course is an hyperbole.

Firstly, that accolade is far too general. For one, being claimed to be the combat equal of "anyone in the Order" is a such a generalized statement and can cover a wide spread ranging from say Tionne Solusar to Luke Skywalker himself, it's vague. And being claimed to be the 'Sword of the Jedi' when Luke isn't doesn't really mean that she is superior to him with the blade - it strikes me as a more personal version of something like Battlemaster or Weapons Master. It's merely a recognition that she's skilled. A title on its own doesn't give her merit enough to take someone like Cade.

mastercilghal wrote: Considering Jaina’s overall reputation i’d say the statement refers more to the high tiers in the order than the low ones, But that’s a fair point. Overall, the quote is really up to one’s interpretation.
But Jaina has more than just titles and accolades. Considering her performance against the Sith in ascension and others I would say she stands a fair chance of taking this.

TheGlory wrote:

mastercilghal wrote: Considering Jaina’s overall reputation i’d say the statement refers more to the high tiers in the order than the low ones, But that’s a fair point. Overall, the quote is really up to one’s interpretation.
But Jaina has more than just titles and accolades. Considering her performance against the Sith in ascension and others I would say she stands a fair chance of taking this.

And what reputation would that be? Being considered skilled among the Order is nice and all, but what sets her so drastically apart from someone like Kyle Katarn, for instance?

Okay, but what about these Sith suggests this showing would exceed anything Cade has under his belt? Honestly, Cade clowning both Darth Nihl and Darth Talon a good while before his prime seems more impressive, especially since these Sith are considered among the most skilled in the One Sith and managed to attain a favourable position in that Order.

mastercilghal wrote: Being on par with Kyle Katarn is pretty good, considering that the latter is stated to be on par with Viun Galaan, who contended with Luke Skywalker ( albeit on a dark side nexus and against a slightly weakened Luke). 

The feat i’m talking about is impressive because those three Sith were among the best sith sabers in the lost tribe, were amped to a considerable degree while Jaina was weakened, yet she defeated 3 of them with relative ease.

A select few Sith Lords are given the title of Emperor's Hand, a tradition that Darth Krayt has resurrected from the days of Palpatine. These Hands function as the Emperor's agents throughout the galaxy, performing secret tasks at Krayt's whim. The position of Emperor's Hand is one of great honor, and it is fought over among the Sith Lords viciously.

I began this project decades ago, culling those strongest in the Force shortly after their births... Augmenting and improving them... Forging them into my Sith Troopers. Their loyalty is unquestionable.

We lost, Hogrum. Worse, we have no counter for these new weapons of Krayt's -- These Sith Troopers!

The Imperial Knights are among the most talented and dangerous Force-users in the galaxy. Skilled in combat, they train under the tutelage of their Imperial masters, learning all they need to know to defend Emperor Roan Fel against all those who would harm him. The Imperial Knights are skilled with both the lightsaber and with the Force, and make extensive use of combat armor, including their special cortosis gauntlets designed to stop lightsaber attacks. From the start of their training until they reach knighthood, the Imperial Knights learn how to use the Force to transform themselves into living weapons and shields.

I would also add that Jaina has other compelling feats, like besting Tsavong Lah, and partially defending from a telekinetic attack from abeloth.

Tsavong Lah passed out seconds after the tunnel was depressurized, and had survived only because his aides fought off the other Yuuzhan Vong who would have trampled him just long enough for one of them to deploy the gnullith that fed him air, and the ooglith cloaker that masked him against vacuum and cold.

When the warmaster woke, with the gnullith's tube down his throat, he was buried under an insulating pile of Yuuzhan Vong dead, mostly his own subalterns.

She sliced madly at the amphistaff as she straightened again, engaging the furious warrior in a long series of attacks and parries.

And then Jaina reached out with the force, picked up her lightsaber from the ground behind Tsavong Lah, and drove the violet blade point-first through his throat.

Greysentinel365 wrote:Cade destroys. Jaina is only good when she has a Luke power amp.

Greysentinel365 wrote:

Greysentinel365 wrote:Cade destroys. Jaina is only good when she has a Luke power amp.