Plo Koon and Shaak Ti vs Darth Talon and Darth Nihl

Plo Koon as of Revenge of the Sith
Shaak Ti as of The Force Unleashed
Darth Nihl and Talon as of Legacy:War

R1: Sabers
R2: Force
R3: All Out

Jedi. Ultimately Talon & Nihl are a bit outmatched here, but should put up a good fight.

Jedi.

Jedi sweep ez

Jedi, Ti is MVP.

Any arguments for the Jeedai? Nihl and Talon have plenty of impressive accolades and feats in their own right.

Leaning towards the sith honestly.

mastercilghal wrote:Leaning towards the sith honestly.

Me too. I'd say they are inferior duelists, but their force powers are enough to take the win.

Nihl would have a close fight with either of the Jedi. Talon wouldn't last as long. Nihl will eventually find himself facing both Jedi, and so Plo and Shaak take this.

ILS wrote:Any arguments for the Jeedai? Nihl and Talon have plenty of impressive accolades and feats in their own right.

I'm willing to give the Jedi the benefit of the doubt here, given Shaak's TFU feats stacking on her RotS feats. Koon I'm less confident on, but like I said, I'll give them the benefit of that doubt.

ILS wrote:Any arguments for the Jeedai? Nihl and Talon have plenty of impressive accolades and feats in their own right.

Well I mean, Plo Koon did demonstrate his solid superiority over Savage before Savage cheapshotted him

SithArchaeologist wrote:

ILS wrote:Any arguments for the Jeedai? Nihl and Talon have plenty of impressive accolades and feats in their own right.

I'm willing to give the Jedi the benefit of the doubt here, given Shaak's TFU feats stacking on her RotS feats. Koon I'm less confident on, but like I said, I'll give them the benefit of that doubt.

I don't understand why they are to be given the "benefit of the doubt" - can you expand on that?

Nihl vs Talon, who wins?

Nihl.

ILS wrote:

SithArchaeologist wrote:

ILS wrote:Any arguments for the Jeedai? Nihl and Talon have plenty of impressive accolades and feats in their own right.

I'm willing to give the Jedi the benefit of the doubt here, given Shaak's TFU feats stacking on her RotS feats. Koon I'm less confident on, but like I said, I'll give them the benefit of that doubt.

I don't understand why they are to be given the "benefit of the doubt" - can you expand on that?

Essentially, I'm willing to take Koon's rough parity with Savage and general accolades to indicate superiority to Nihl & Talon, even though I'm not confident on it.

SithArchaeologist wrote:

ILS wrote:

SithArchaeologist wrote:

ILS wrote:Any arguments for the Jeedai? Nihl and Talon have plenty of impressive accolades and feats in their own right.

I'm willing to give the Jedi the benefit of the doubt here, given Shaak's TFU feats stacking on her RotS feats. Koon I'm less confident on, but like I said, I'll give them the benefit of that doubt.

I don't understand why they are to be given the "benefit of the doubt" - can you expand on that?

Essentially, I'm willing to take Koon's rough parity with Savage and general accolades to indicate superiority to Nihl & Talon, even though I'm not confident on it.

I might be able to help with that. Koon lost to Savage in a pretty onesided fight despite having the aid of clone troopers, and the only accolades he has are fairly generic and could (sans the "Jedi" element) easily apply to Talon and Nihl, who are both among the most skilled and powerful members of one of the most powerful Sith Empires in history. The positions they hold in the order are those that the Sith constantly compete for with lethal intent - that's how Nihl first became a Hand, and Talon, being recognised as a prodigy (and I believe she's a 2nd or 3rd generation Sith to boot), was groomed on Korriban from infancy to be Krayt's other Hand.

Suffice to say I don't think a contest of generic "one of the best" accolades is going to do much to separate any of the characters here, so it's mostly going to be a feats comparison.

Make it Sha Koon and the Jedi win. As it stand, Ti is the weak link that gets Plo killed imo.

LSDMB wrote:

ILS wrote:Any arguments for the Jeedai? Nihl and Talon have plenty of impressive accolades and feats in their own right.

Well I mean, Plo Koon did demonstrate his solid superiority over Savage before Savage cheapshotted him

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LSDMB wrote:

ILS wrote:Any arguments for the Jeedai? Nihl and Talon have plenty of impressive accolades and feats in their own right.

Well I mean, Plo Koon did demonstrate his solid superiority over Savage before Savage cheapshotted him

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ILS wrote:

SithArchaeologist wrote:

ILS wrote:

SithArchaeologist wrote:

ILS wrote:Any arguments for the Jeedai? Nihl and Talon have plenty of impressive accolades and feats in their own right.

I'm willing to give the Jedi the benefit of the doubt here, given Shaak's TFU feats stacking on her RotS feats. Koon I'm less confident on, but like I said, I'll give them the benefit of that doubt.

I don't understand why they are to be given the "benefit of the doubt" - can you expand on that?

Essentially, I'm willing to take Koon's rough parity with Savage and general accolades to indicate superiority to Nihl & Talon, even though I'm not confident on it.

I might be able to help with that. Koon lost to Savage in a pretty onesided fight despite having the aid of clone troopers, and the only accolades he has are fairly generic and could (sans the "Jedi" element) easily apply to Talon and Nihl, who are both among the most skilled and powerful members of one of the most powerful Sith Empires in history. The positions they hold in the order are those that the Sith constantly compete for with lethal intent - that's how Nihl first became a Hand, and Talon, being recognised as a prodigy (and I believe she's a 2nd or 3rd generation Sith to boot), was groomed on Korriban from infancy to be Krayt's other Hand.

Suffice to say I don't think a contest of generic "one of the best" accolades is going to do much to separate any of the characters here, so it's mostly going to be a feats comparison.

But ILS! Shaak Ti is stated by Obi-Wan to be super cunning, that means even if she is outmatched she'll just outsmart her opponents.

ILS wrote:

SithArchaeologist wrote:

ILS wrote:

SithArchaeologist wrote:

ILS wrote:Any arguments for the Jeedai? Nihl and Talon have plenty of impressive accolades and feats in their own right.

I'm willing to give the Jedi the benefit of the doubt here, given Shaak's TFU feats stacking on her RotS feats. Koon I'm less confident on, but like I said, I'll give them the benefit of that doubt.

I don't understand why they are to be given the "benefit of the doubt" - can you expand on that?

Essentially, I'm willing to take Koon's rough parity with Savage and general accolades to indicate superiority to Nihl & Talon, even though I'm not confident on it.

I might be able to help with that. Koon lost to Savage in a pretty onesided fight despite having the aid of clone troopers, and the only accolades he has are fairly generic and could (sans the "Jedi" element) easily apply to Talon and Nihl, who are both among the most skilled and powerful members of one of the most powerful Sith Empires in history. The positions they hold in the order are those that the Sith constantly compete for with lethal intent - that's how Nihl first became a Hand, and Talon, being recognised as a prodigy (and I believe she's a 2nd or 3rd generation Sith to boot), was groomed on Korriban from infancy to be Krayt's other Hand.

Suffice to say I don't think a contest of generic "one of the best" accolades is going to do much to separate any of the characters here, so it's mostly going to be a feats comparison.

In the past I have argued heavily for Nihl & Talon in matchups such as these. I've not been able to counter CW-era scaling though. How would you counter this?

If it's a scaling war then I don't see how Plo benefits that much from the Shadow Guard scaling. Legacy has very, very generous satellite scaling and Cade throwing a shuttle like a baseball at the beginning of the series when he is sub-Shado level.

Inclined to back the sith tbh.

Jedi team should win. Their hype and feats impresses me more.

Talon and Nihl easily