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The EllimistLevel Five
How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 6th 2019, 4:09 am
15 meters starting, good coordination
1. Base IH Anakin
2. Vjun Dooku
3. Novel Vitiate
4. Darth Plagueis
5. TPM Sidious
6. RotS Sidious
7. TFU Sidious
8. RotJ Sidious
9. DE Sidious
10. Mortis Luke
1. Base IH Anakin
2. Vjun Dooku
3. Novel Vitiate
4. Darth Plagueis
5. TPM Sidious
6. RotS Sidious
7. TFU Sidious
8. RotJ Sidious
9. DE Sidious
10. Mortis Luke
GuestGuest
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 6th 2019, 6:18 am
1-3 requires 2.
4-5 requires 1.
6 requires 2.
After that idk.
4-5 requires 1.
6 requires 2.
After that idk.
BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 6th 2019, 11:22 am
1 - 3 = 2.
4 = 2.
5 = 1.
6 = 2.
7 = 2.
8 = 2 or 3 probably.
9 = 4 or 5.
10 = 7?
4 = 2.
5 = 1.
6 = 2.
7 = 2.
8 = 2 or 3 probably.
9 = 4 or 5.
10 = 7?
KingofBladesLevel Three
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 6th 2019, 12:36 pm
People really have Dooku beating TPM Sidious?
CuckedCurryLevel Four
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 6th 2019, 2:00 pm
[size=34]1. Base IH Anakin-1[/size]
[size=34]2. Vjun Dooku-2[/size]
[size=34]3. Novel Vitiate-1/2[/size]
[size=34]4. Darth Plagueis-2/3[/size]
[size=34]5. TPM Sidious-2/3[/size]
[size=34]6. RotS Sidious-3[/size]
[size=34]7. TFU Sidious-3/4[/size]
[size=34]8. RotJ Sidious-3/4[/size]
[size=34]9. DE Sidious-4/5[/size]
[size=34]10. Mortis Luke-7/10. Maybe more, maybe less[/size]
[size=34]2. Vjun Dooku-2[/size]
[size=34]3. Novel Vitiate-1/2[/size]
[size=34]4. Darth Plagueis-2/3[/size]
[size=34]5. TPM Sidious-2/3[/size]
[size=34]6. RotS Sidious-3[/size]
[size=34]7. TFU Sidious-3/4[/size]
[size=34]8. RotJ Sidious-3/4[/size]
[size=34]9. DE Sidious-4/5[/size]
[size=34]10. Mortis Luke-7/10. Maybe more, maybe less[/size]
- GuestGuest
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 6th 2019, 3:00 pm
KingofBlades wrote:People really have Dooku beating TPM Sidious?
Yeah, I don't see why he shouldn't be able to (this is me talking pre-boost Sidious btw).
dark_globe
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 6th 2019, 3:29 pm
1: 1-2
2: 2
3: 2 should do it , 3 at most
4: at least 2 , probably 3
5: 2
6-7: 3 of them could probably do it
8: 4 or 5
9-10: pretty much impossible to determim since power disparity is too big at this point
2: 2
3: 2 should do it , 3 at most
4: at least 2 , probably 3
5: 2
6-7: 3 of them could probably do it
8: 4 or 5
9-10: pretty much impossible to determim since power disparity is too big at this point
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 7th 2019, 10:33 am
KingofBlades wrote:People really have Dooku beating TPM Sidious?
- MPModerator | Champion of Darkness
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 7th 2019, 10:57 am
Dooku still loses to pre boost Sidious Lol
- CuckedCurryLevel Four
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 7th 2019, 11:32 am
The last few Banites achieved shit with the Force that went well beyond Dooku. Venamis vs Dooku would likely be a fairly close fight, nevermind Plagueis, Sidious & even Tenebrous
- dark_globe
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 4:47 am
this is true however it was mostly esoteric techniques they developed rather than combat oriented force powers .CuckedCurry wrote:The last few Banites achieved shit with the Force that went well beyond Dooku. Venamis vs Dooku would likely be a fairly close fight, nevermind Plagueis, Sidious & even Tenebrous
furthermore sidious never mastered MM .
that being said i believe TPM sidious was more brutal fighter , he trained a lot more with a lightsaber etc prior to his masters dead .
he also trained maul and maul was basically his puppet
maul himself could give dooku some trouble in a duel :
he would lose of course but he would present some challenge whereas sidious would destroy maul with greater ease
TPM sidious although not as powerful with the force could very well be a deadliest duelist than his RoTS self .
1 dooku ain´t gonna cut it in this fight .
2 are needed to take this .
SithSauceLevel One
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 11:11 am
Yeh let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Dooku easily loses to TPM Sidious
- GuestGuest
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 12:00 pm
SithSauce wrote:Yeh let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Dooku easily loses to TPM Sidious
Care to substantiate this position?
Deronn_Solo
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 4:06 pm
Yeah, Sidous and Plagueis bending the Force to their will puts them far above the likes of Dooku.
Holistically, there is no comparison between the three -- Sidous and Plagueis are seen as far greater threats than Dooku ever was, or would be.
Holistically, there is no comparison between the three -- Sidous and Plagueis are seen as far greater threats than Dooku ever was, or would be.
- KingofBladesLevel Three
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 4:13 pm
This depends on two things. Yoda's growth from Y:DR to RotS and Sidious's growth from TPM to RotS. If TPM Sidious is ~RotS Sidious, then yeah, Sidious wins, although it wouldn't be a stomp, considering how Dooku fared against Yoda on Vjun. If RotS Sidious is considerably more powerful than his TPM iteration then I can see a case for Dooku based on his performances against Yoda in AotC and Y:DR
- Deronn_Solo
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 4:22 pm
Dooku was amped to his eye-balls in DR. Hardly a fair representation from what he is normally performing at. As for AotC, Yoda was clearly holding back, and some sources even going as far as saying he "easily" defeated Dooku.
Not that Plagueis/Sidious and Yoda fights the same. Star Wars isn't exactly DBZ where power level is everything and moral alignment and stylistic attributes get thrown to the wayside. Yoda is nowhere near as ferocious, blood thirsty or as inclined to use the Force in combat like Sidious and Plagueis is. Dooku would be hard pressed against matter obliterating TK, or his very Force power being zapped away by the Muun.
Not that Plagueis/Sidious and Yoda fights the same. Star Wars isn't exactly DBZ where power level is everything and moral alignment and stylistic attributes get thrown to the wayside. Yoda is nowhere near as ferocious, blood thirsty or as inclined to use the Force in combat like Sidious and Plagueis is. Dooku would be hard pressed against matter obliterating TK, or his very Force power being zapped away by the Muun.
- KingofBladesLevel Three
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 4:26 pm
Yes I took the nexus's presence into account. I just doubt Yoda's solid edge over Dooku on Vjun would turn into a full blown stomp on neutral ground. Also, doesn't the AotC script say that Yoda had killing intent?
- CuckedCurryLevel Four
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 4:30 pm
Conflict of intentions. In George’s continuity, Dooku & Yoda are close. In the Eu, they’re not. Take your pick
- GuestGuest
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 4:43 pm
@Deronn_Solo
Except there are quotes which say Dooku barely escaped with his life implying Yoda had lethal intent. As for the quotes saying Yoda won easily, I don't care for them when they contradict the primary material, and especially not when there are just as many sourcebooks quotes which say the opposite.
As for AotC, Yoda was clearly holding back, and some sources even going as far as saying he "easily" defeated Dooku.
Except there are quotes which say Dooku barely escaped with his life implying Yoda had lethal intent. As for the quotes saying Yoda won easily, I don't care for them when they contradict the primary material, and especially not when there are just as many sourcebooks quotes which say the opposite.
- Deronn_Solo
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 5:16 pm
CuckedCurry wrote:Conflict of intentions. In George’s continuity, Dooku & Yoda are close. In the Eu, they’re not. Take your pick
Even in George's continuity they aren't all that close.
Sidious utterly clowned the Maul bro's, while Dooku had to flee against a weaker version of Oppress and Ventress because he was getting his lunch money snatched.
Latham2000Level Three
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 5:27 pm
Dooku got the time edge over Opress and Ventress though, albeit “barely.” He only ran off because he got lazy or disinterested.
- dark_globe
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 5:40 pm
CW sidious force choked dooku as a hologram . enough said .
he would not be able to do that to yoda . he was legit scared to face yoda in a duel and got disarmed and ragdolled at one point .
yoda was able to increase his speed with a blade against sidious . if he wished so dooku would get utterly clowned by him .
TPM sidious is not as far as hologram ragdoll tier away from his CW/RoTS self when it comes to force powers
and he is more sharp as a duelist and regularly train prior to his masters dead .
TPM sidious beats dooku in a semi decent fight .
it would take 2 to beat him .
he would not be able to do that to yoda . he was legit scared to face yoda in a duel and got disarmed and ragdolled at one point .
yoda was able to increase his speed with a blade against sidious . if he wished so dooku would get utterly clowned by him .
TPM sidious is not as far as hologram ragdoll tier away from his CW/RoTS self when it comes to force powers
and he is more sharp as a duelist and regularly train prior to his masters dead .
TPM sidious beats dooku in a semi decent fight .
it would take 2 to beat him .
- KingofBladesLevel Three
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 5:49 pm
This whole argument is based on the faulty premise that Dooku was actively attempting to resist Sidious's TK. There's nothing even implying this is the case. It also doesn't make logical sense since Dooku would be risking greater punishment by attempting to resist what was essentially only a threatdark_globe wrote:CW sidious force choked dooku as a hologram . enough said .
he would not be able to do that to yoda . he was legit scared to face yoda in a duel and got disarmed and ragdolled at one point .
yoda was able to increase his speed with a blade against sidious . if he wished so dooku would get utterly clowned by him .
TPM sidious is not as far as hologram ragdoll tier away from his CW/RoTS self when it comes to force powers
and he is more sharp as a duelist and regularly train prior to his masters dead .
TPM sidious beats dooku in a semi decent fight .
it would take 2 to beat him .
- dark_globe
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 6:09 pm
sidious is essentially a sadistic psycho (brilliant but twisted) .KingofBlades wrote:This whole argument is based on the faulty premise that Dooku was actively attempting to resist Sidious's TK. There's nothing even implying this is the case. It also doesn't make logical sense since Dooku would be risking greater punishment by attempting to resist what was essentially only a threatdark_globe wrote:CW sidious force choked dooku as a hologram . enough said .
he would not be able to do that to yoda . he was legit scared to face yoda in a duel and got disarmed and ragdolled at one point .
yoda was able to increase his speed with a blade against sidious . if he wished so dooku would get utterly clowned by him .
TPM sidious is not as far as hologram ragdoll tier away from his CW/RoTS self when it comes to force powers
and he is more sharp as a duelist and regularly train prior to his masters dead .
TPM sidious beats dooku in a semi decent fight .
it would take 2 to beat him .
dooku might very well be choked to dead right then and there .
you think dooku was thinking logically while choked by sadistic dark side maniac ?
any sane person would try to resist and defend since there is no insurance sidious would let go of his grip .
granted dooku might have been caught of guard and after that it was too late .
but CW sidious (in person) has a potential to ragdoll him for sure .
BartModerator
Re: How many Dooku's to defeat...
October 8th 2019, 6:22 pm
1. Base IH Anakin - one is a tiny bit not enough, as we've seen. Two at once make it a stomp, though.
2. Vjun Dooku - two. Dooku was amped, but not enough to defeat two versions of hismelf, lol.
3. Novel Vitiate - honestly, as always with Vitiate, it's pretty random. They need enough Dookus to get close enough, and at close range Vitiate still has chances, but they grow extremely low. I think 3 Dookus should have it, given some simple parallels that can be drawn with Jedi Revan and Dooku, no matter how thin they are. If Revan-Meetra-Scourge posed some kind of challenge, three Dookus definitely win.
4. Darth Plagueis - 2 is a close fight. 3 probably win this.
5. TPM Sidious - I doubt 2 of them win, but 3 win definitely.
6. RotS Sidious - 3.
7. TFU Sidious - 3.
8. RotJ Sidious - 3.
9. DE Sidious - 3.
10. Mortis Luke - Mortis Luke sucks. 2.
As for Sids, his growth between RotS and RotJ is rather good, but DE - he grows in pure power, but also becomes a pretty dumb fighter, tbh.
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