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Blade_of_DorinLevel One
AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 27th 2019, 12:47 am
Round 1: Sabers Only
Round 2: Force Only
Round 3: All-Out
Round 2: Force Only
Round 3: All-Out
O-Siri
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 27th 2019, 12:53 am
Maul for the majority, more skilled, more agile, better control over his power, but Anakin has the ability to make it an upset for a small minority. AotC Anakin's power level is more sporadic than when we get closer to RotS where his power level is more or less consistent as he maintains better control. He also really hates Maul, it was the vision he had to face when he constructed his first lightsaber on Ilum, so he might get a beneficial rage amp to even things out.
SithSauceLevel One
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 27th 2019, 2:50 am
Why?Vorpal Blade wrote:Anakin
HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 27th 2019, 2:57 am
Maul. Anakin charges him like he did against Dooku and gets decapitated.
MPModerator | Champion of Darkness
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 27th 2019, 4:01 am
@SithSauce
There’s such a gargantuan gap between TPM Maul and AotC Dooku that Anakin’s performance completely blows Maul out of the water, honestly.
There’s such a gargantuan gap between TPM Maul and AotC Dooku that Anakin’s performance completely blows Maul out of the water, honestly.
Latham2000Level Three
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 27th 2019, 4:11 am
Maul because he’s an 8 and Anakin is a 7.
- Latham2000Level Three
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 27th 2019, 5:42 am
Vorpal Blade wrote:@SithSauce
There’s such a gargantuan gap between TPM Maul and AotC Dooku that Anakin’s performance completely blows Maul out of the water, honestly.
AotC script says that Anakin vs Dooku wasn’t even a contest, and multiple other sources say that Dooku easily defeated Anakin. Even if this version of Anakin wasn’t easily beaten, that still doesn’t put AotC Anakin above TPM Maul given that Maul has been stated to be a level/tier 8 fighter, whereas AotC Annie is a level/tier 7 fighter on Lucas/Gillard’s system.
JakeLevel One
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 27th 2019, 7:24 am
Probably a split. Comparing the two, Maul is obviously better; more skilled, more consistently powerful, higher degree of training, but Anakin rarely remains at his base level. When pushed, we see him smack the reserves out of Dooku; taking "a lot out of him" according to the Star Wars Fact File (and three separate quotes note that he tired Dooku in the Relaunched issues, for what it’s worth) and managed to prevent the Count from fleeing with his ‘unusual’ powers. Early Jedi Quest Anakin can replicate the speed of the great masters, and later in the series, moves faster than anyone Obi-Wan Kenobi has ever seen, including a post-meditation Qui-Gon Jinn who sent Maul reeling with his speed, nearly killing him.
Gillard calls these instances "flashes of brilliance", a moment of stress which forces some of Anakin's potential to manifest;
Some examples of this;
1. Moving a CIS Dreadnaught
2. Theta Storm feat
3. Various Jedi Quest speed feats
4. Fights with Dooku in Attack of the Clones and The Clone Wars
Sometimes these 'flashes' are brought on by emotion (Attack of the Clones) or are just a result of Anakin having to actually exert himself (Jedi Quest). With this in mind, if he's taunted about Qui-Gon or even Obi-Wan, Maul will be a puddle on the floor in a few seconds. If Maul gets an edge in the fight, but chooses to prolong it for enjoyment or sadistic reasons - something he does regularly - he'll die.
Emotional factors have to be considered in these Anakin fights, especially if we’re using his earlier versions. Almost every time he faces an opponent with greater power and skill than himself, he rises to the occasion in some way. To reiterate; Maul is better in almost every way when you compare the two at base, but this isn't relevant in a matchup with Anakin Skywalker.
Gillard calls these instances "flashes of brilliance", a moment of stress which forces some of Anakin's potential to manifest;
Fans will be anxious to see Anakin Skywalker, the man who will be Darth Vader, in action. “Of course, he's the chosen one," whispered Gillard. "The audience will want to see that manifest itself. There needs to be flashes of brilliance.”
Starwars.com - Teacher of the Masters (link)
Some examples of this;
1. Moving a CIS Dreadnaught
2. Theta Storm feat
3. Various Jedi Quest speed feats
4. Fights with Dooku in Attack of the Clones and The Clone Wars
Sometimes these 'flashes' are brought on by emotion (Attack of the Clones) or are just a result of Anakin having to actually exert himself (Jedi Quest). With this in mind, if he's taunted about Qui-Gon or even Obi-Wan, Maul will be a puddle on the floor in a few seconds. If Maul gets an edge in the fight, but chooses to prolong it for enjoyment or sadistic reasons - something he does regularly - he'll die.
Emotional factors have to be considered in these Anakin fights, especially if we’re using his earlier versions. Almost every time he faces an opponent with greater power and skill than himself, he rises to the occasion in some way. To reiterate; Maul is better in almost every way when you compare the two at base, but this isn't relevant in a matchup with Anakin Skywalker.
BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 27th 2019, 7:28 am
...Why was Gillard whispering?
OT: Maul.
OT: Maul.
- O-Siri
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 27th 2019, 8:45 am
It's consistent in all sources that Anakin seriously pressed Dooku before he retrieved the extra lightsaber; he even nicked Dooku in the script. After he switched the Jar Kai however even in the most favorable depiction, the senior novel, Dooku was in complete control, once he was able to assess Anakin's strength. Therefore even the senior novel doesn't really contradict the notion that the bout was "no contest" as it was referring to the jar kai portion the duel, not the beginning portion. Still doesn't change the fact Dooku acknowledged Anakin proved to be a powerful foe overall, in Labyrinth of Evil.
NevesYtneves (DC77)Level Seven
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 27th 2019, 12:34 pm
I concur with Jake on this one.
- GuestGuest
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 27th 2019, 1:39 pm
DC77 (Reborn) wrote:I concur with Jake on this one.
- MPModerator | Champion of Darkness
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 27th 2019, 9:41 pm
I also don’t see Anakin faltering in this matchup. He’s going to try his hardest to kill Qui-Gon’s killer, and he’s gonna win.
- Latham2000Level Three
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 28th 2019, 6:28 am
How do we reconcile the sources that says Dooku heat Anakin easily with the sources that say otherwise?
As for the script, Dooku initially had difficulty with Anakin because he didn’t expect him to be so talented, but adapted once Anakin got two lightsabers IIRC.
As for the script, Dooku initially had difficulty with Anakin because he didn’t expect him to be so talented, but adapted once Anakin got two lightsabers IIRC.
- O-Siri
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 29th 2019, 3:04 am
I say novels should take precedence over sourcebooks. Two of them are movie novels and one(LoE) is a direct tie-in to RotS. They are main sources that determine the overall narrative from which other sources takes inspiration from.Latham2000 wrote:How do we reconcile the sources that says Dooku heat Anakin easily with the sources that say otherwise?
As for the script, Dooku initially had difficulty with Anakin because he didn’t expect him to be so talented, but adapted once Anakin got two lightsabers IIRC.
The script says the force of Anakin's attack threw Dooku off-balance after which Anakin scored a blow. It doesn't say anything about Dooku being unprepared but it probably goes without saying anyway, seeing how he took control of the situation when Anakin switched to Jar Kai. And this sequence of events is represented pretty accurately in the senior novel minus the wound Dooku received.
Anakin is no match for Dooku once he puts his game face on, but he can make him sweat.
Ziggy
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 29th 2019, 3:36 am
With everything said, still going with Maul as there are examples of Anakin faltering with high stakes and higher emotions at this stage. And Maul is a league ahead in base.
- Latham2000Level Three
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 29th 2019, 10:02 am
O-Siri wrote:I say novels should take precedence over sourcebooks. Two of them are movie novels and one(LoE) is a direct tie-in to RotS. They are main sources that determine the overall narrative from which other sources takes inspiration from.Latham2000 wrote:How do we reconcile the sources that says Dooku heat Anakin easily with the sources that say otherwise?
As for the script, Dooku initially had difficulty with Anakin because he didn’t expect him to be so talented, but adapted once Anakin got two lightsabers IIRC.
The script says the force of Anakin's attack threw Dooku off-balance after which Anakin scored a blow. It doesn't say anything about Dooku being unprepared but it probably goes without saying anyway, seeing how he took control of the situation when Anakin switched to Jar Kai. And this sequence of events is represented pretty accurately in the senior novel minus the wound Dooku received.
Anakin is no match for Dooku once he puts his game face on, but he can make him sweat.
Sourcebooks aren't the only sources that say that Dooku easily beat Anakin in AotC:
"Anakin and Obi-Wan pursue Dooku to a secret hangar, where he defeats them easily, cutting off Anakin's hand." -- The Making of Revenge of the Sith wrote:
- HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: AotC Anakin vs TPM Maul
September 29th 2019, 10:17 am
Ziggy wrote:With everything said, still going with Maul as there are examples of Anakin faltering with high stakes and higher emotions at this stage. And Maul is a league ahead in base.
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