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The EllimistLevel Five
DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 24th 2019, 11:55 pm
50 meters starting distance, no Force storms.
KingofBladesLevel Three
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 12:03 am
Sidious annihilates.
AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 5:58 am
Exar Kuns godstomp him. Two could win frequently, three would win every time.
HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 6:13 am
Sidious shitstomps thousands of Kun.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 6:16 am
Exar Kun's stated in numerous sources to be on Sheev's level, though whilst undoubtedly less powerful he's not so far off that double his power wouldn't be stronger.
CuckedCurryLevel Four
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 6:36 am
HellfireUnit wrote:Sidious shitstomps thousands of Kun.
HeartoftheForceLevel Two
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 7:08 am
It would take like 3 Kuns
But SF Malak could solo.
But SF Malak could solo.
Blade_of_DorinLevel One
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 9:32 am
Night Night Sub-Malak guy.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 7:02 pm
Care to genuinely argue why Sheev beats someone on his level with such ease he can do it to five at once? That should be fun to completely incinerate.
IGLevel Four
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 7:04 pm
What puts Kun on his level? As KoB has told me, any scaling chain with Kun too far above DE Luke falls apart due to supremacy quotes.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 7:08 pm
Supremacy quotes aren't infallible, in fact they never have been. The people who actually run the Canon never take them as objective. So no, they don't fall apart, lmfao.
Kun is directly stated to be a dark side nexus, and one of the most powerful he'd ever felt along with Sheev. Luke Skywalker's reason for deeming DE Sheev too powerful to defeat; unlike ROTJ Palps, is the fact he is now a nexus. Exar Kun being a nexus of dark side energy where ROTJ was not quite yet there, places him on an extremely high pedastal.
Kun is directly stated to be a dark side nexus, and one of the most powerful he'd ever felt along with Sheev. Luke Skywalker's reason for deeming DE Sheev too powerful to defeat; unlike ROTJ Palps, is the fact he is now a nexus. Exar Kun being a nexus of dark side energy where ROTJ was not quite yet there, places him on an extremely high pedastal.
- IGLevel Four
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 7:18 pm
You claim Vitiate is a nexus as well, and without the DK one, he’s weaker than Revan, who you claim is far weaker than Kun. Jeez, make up your mind.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 7:22 pm
Literally nothing says or implies that Vitiate needed the nexus to win. Yes, Vitiate is > ROTJ Palpatine. Well done on figuring that out.
- IGLevel Four
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 7:26 pm
As of the novel? And it’s specifically stated that Revan had a 50/50 chance of winning, and don’t rant about Meetra being helpful, I meant without here he still had one. Without the nexus and drugs in his system he should have been capable of winning.
- KingofBladesLevel Three
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 7:28 pm
Didn't you make the argument that the author purposefully left the effects of the nexus ambiguous?LadyKulvax wrote:Literally nothing says or implies that Vitiate needed the nexus to win. Yes, Vitiate is > ROTJ Palpatine. Well done on figuring that out.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 7:28 pm
Basically, yes. The line of scaling he gets is essentially insane:
Vitiate >> Revan Reborn >> SF!Malak >>>> Ajunta Pall > Karness Muur > Vector!Darth Vader.
Vitiate >> Revan Reborn >> SF!Malak >>>> Ajunta Pall > Karness Muur > Vector!Darth Vader.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 7:32 pm
I didn't make the argument, Drew literally said so. But that doesn't excuse us from determining what the effects of the nexus has been in sources that has otherwise depicted. Nor am I inclined to believe that a nexus amp was ever required to beat Revan in the first place given their actual power exchange. Whilst I don't think he stomps Revan, he definitely was not in a position where they were so close that a nexus amp to Vitiate was required by any means.KingofBlades wrote:Didn't you make the argument that the author purposefully left the effects of the nexus ambiguous?LadyKulvax wrote:Literally nothing says or implies that Vitiate needed the nexus to win. Yes, Vitiate is > ROTJ Palpatine. Well done on figuring that out.
- KingofBladesLevel Three
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 7:46 pm
If you accept the premise that while on DK, Nyriss and Meetra are at least comparable in terms of force power, then Revan only suffered third degree burns from an attack that was immensely more powerful than an attack capable of incinerating Nyriss(comparable to meetra). This demonstrates that Revan managed to contain nearly all of the energy in the Vitiate's attack, despite having less time to gather energy than Vitiate. Revan was also being simultaneously amped and hindered leaving him probably at his standard level of power, while Vitiate was only being amped by the nexus. Remove the presence of the nexus and allow them to gather energy at the same time, and its very likely that Revan would've been able to contain the small amount of excess energy that gave him three degree burns.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 7:57 pm
What are you on about?
1.Literally only Scourge says he is helpless but to be incinerated where Meetra is recovering from being knocked off her feet by the momentum of the lightning.
2.Vitiate launches an attack that instantly bursts through Revan's Tutaminis and paralyses him until Revan gathers his reserves to heal himself which is at the point where Meetra is already facing down Vitiate woman-to-man with her lightsaber. Without T3's interference, Revan would have died there and then per the text. This is like arguing Luke wasn't incinerated by Palpatine's full potency lightning at the latter half of Palpatine's attack against him, therefor Luke may have done better under other circumstances. Yeah, no.
You're not handwaving this as Vitiate's power being amped when Dromund Kaas is made powerful by Vitiate in the first place, not the other way around.
1.Literally only Scourge says he is helpless but to be incinerated where Meetra is recovering from being knocked off her feet by the momentum of the lightning.
2.Vitiate launches an attack that instantly bursts through Revan's Tutaminis and paralyses him until Revan gathers his reserves to heal himself which is at the point where Meetra is already facing down Vitiate woman-to-man with her lightsaber. Without T3's interference, Revan would have died there and then per the text. This is like arguing Luke wasn't incinerated by Palpatine's full potency lightning at the latter half of Palpatine's attack against him, therefor Luke may have done better under other circumstances. Yeah, no.
You're not handwaving this as Vitiate's power being amped when Dromund Kaas is made powerful by Vitiate in the first place, not the other way around.
- KingofBladesLevel Three
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 8:04 pm
1. You're forgetting that Nyriss was herself incinerated by her own attack. If you accept the premise of Meetra and Nyriss being comparable on DK, then what I said makes sense.LadyKulvax wrote:What are you on about?
1.Literally only Scourge says he is helpless but to be incinerated where Meetra is recovering from being knocked off her feet by the momentum of the lightning.
2.Vitiate launches an attack that instantly bursts through Revan's Tutaminis and paralyses him until Revan gathers his reserves to heal himself which is at the point where Meetra is already facing down Vitiate woman-to-man with her lightsaber. Without T3's interference, Revan would have died there and then per the text. This is like arguing Luke wasn't incinerated by Palpatine's full potency lightning at the latter half of Palpatine's attack against him, therefor Luke may have done better under other circumstances. Yeah, no.
You're not handwaving this as Vitiate's power being amped when Dromund Kaas is made powerful by Vitiate in the first place, not the other way around.
2. Ant has gone over this before but to summarize: The energy required to incinerate someone vs the energy required to give someone third degree burns is enormous. Vitiate's attack was immensely more powerful than lightning capable of incinerating a powerful force user. Since Revan only received third degree burns, this must mean he contained nearly all of the energy.
3. DK's nexus is independent of Vitiate, despite Vitiate being the reason for its existence. This is why the nexus persists after he left DK. Since the nexus is independent of his personal power, he will be amped by it like any other force user.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: DE Sidious vs. 5 Exar Kun's
September 25th 2019, 8:13 pm
1.Nyriss was incinerated because she didn't have the time necessary to summon anything other than an instant barrier. Obviously Nyriss' channelled Force storm > the power Nyriss can immediately bring to bear.
2.That isn't remotely what it means, you seem to be forgetting that the lightning that struck Revan was only the lightning that broke through his defenses. But Vitiate continued channelling more and more lightning into him whilst he was paralysed. He was dying from a continuous stream. There are plenty of times where Sheev should've incinerated an unprotected Force user, but he didn't despite having done this before. Welcome to Star Wars.
3.The nexus was literally created by Vitiate via rituals where he expended 'great energy' which transformed the planet and its atmosphere. Given Vitiate is a thousand years of power growth removed from the Vitiate who did this, you can see where my issue arises.
2.That isn't remotely what it means, you seem to be forgetting that the lightning that struck Revan was only the lightning that broke through his defenses. But Vitiate continued channelling more and more lightning into him whilst he was paralysed. He was dying from a continuous stream. There are plenty of times where Sheev should've incinerated an unprotected Force user, but he didn't despite having done this before. Welcome to Star Wars.
3.The nexus was literally created by Vitiate via rituals where he expended 'great energy' which transformed the planet and its atmosphere. Given Vitiate is a thousand years of power growth removed from the Vitiate who did this, you can see where my issue arises.
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