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Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 22nd 2019, 6:26 pm
HellfireUnit wrote:Ti slaps.
BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 22nd 2019, 6:36 pm
Jinn wins in a good fight in sabers but goes down when the Force comes into it.
HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 22nd 2019, 6:43 pm
I doubt Jinn can hold his own against numbers of Magnaguards, Griveous and Marek. IMO she is superior in sabers too.
MPModerator | Champion of Darkness
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 22nd 2019, 11:24 pm
Jinn wins in everything, again.
Deronn_Solo
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 22nd 2019, 11:58 pm
HellfireUnit wrote:Ti slaps.
Blade_of_DorinLevel One
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 23rd 2019, 12:02 am
Ti sucks. Jinn wins.
- MPModerator | Champion of Darkness
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 23rd 2019, 1:20 pm
Blade_of_Dorin wrote:Ti sucks. Jinn wins.
Ti doesn’t suck, though.
NevesYtneves (DC77)Level Seven
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 23rd 2019, 1:24 pm
Why do people think Ti wins here? Jinn matching Maul blow for blow for 40 seconds before beginning to tire is better than Ti losing a fight to early novel Galen on an LS nexus after he'd fought through an army of Felucians.
LSDMB
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 23rd 2019, 10:42 pm
Jinn isn't the easiest person to argue for in Force, so I'll leave that one to others to touch upon.
But in sabers he absolutely slaps. Contending with Maul is better than Shaak Ti's magnaguard feat and matching a Galen who... who... um... did something...?
But in sabers he absolutely slaps. Contending with Maul is better than Shaak Ti's magnaguard feat and matching a Galen who... who... um... did something...?
SithSauceLevel One
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 24th 2019, 3:00 am
I'm going with Ti honestly, with Jinn taking sabers.
I think people lowball her because of Evan and Reti's ranking of her. And I genuinely don't find Jinn's performance against Maul that impressive in all honesty.
I think people lowball her because of Evan and Reti's ranking of her. And I genuinely don't find Jinn's performance against Maul that impressive in all honesty.
- MPModerator | Champion of Darkness
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 24th 2019, 3:21 am
SithSauce wrote:And I genuinely don't find Jinn's performance against Maul that impressive in all honesty.
Because you don't hold Maul high? Or is there another reason?
- HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 24th 2019, 3:26 am
Contending with Magnaguards is impressive since even Anakin gets incapacitated by few of them and many struggle against a single guard.
CuckedCurryLevel Four
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 24th 2019, 3:28 am
Nobody should hold TPM Maul high, he has nothing good to his name. Stonewalled by Anoon Bondara, evaded by Darsha Assant, struggled with Komari Vosa, struggled with Jinn & Kenobi despite messing with their ability to call on the force, struggled with Tusken raiders, blitzed by Siolo Ur’manka twice. His only fights are against pre or post prime noobers and the only time he fights a top tier he gets wrecked...twice
Then you’ve got the wrist rocket showing and it only gets worse
Then you’ve got the wrist rocket showing and it only gets worse
- MPModerator | Champion of Darkness
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 24th 2019, 3:48 am
HellfireUnit wrote:Contending with Magnaguards is impressive since even Anakin gets incapacitated by few of them and many struggle against a single guard.
There's different types of magnaguard though. They're not all the same.
- SithSauceLevel One
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 24th 2019, 4:24 am
No I hold TPM Maul very high, but he is easily the weakest incarnation of the character. And Qui Gon while holding is own was struggling to gain an advantage over him, even with the help of Obi Wan
- MPModerator | Champion of Darkness
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 24th 2019, 4:48 am
SithSauce wrote:No I hold TPM Maul very high, but he is easily the weakest incarnation of the character. And Qui Gon while holding is own was struggling to gain an advantage over him, even with the help of Obi Wan
I don’t think you understand the dynamic between the two. On Tatooine, Qui-Gon and Maul were fighting evenly for the whole duration of the fight. On Naboo, Maul had the advantage of memorising the entire generator complex and had room to draw the Jedi in. Actually, most of the evidence points to Maul eventually losing had he not separated the two, and he even acknowledges this himself. Not to mention his saber staff made it easier to handle two opponents at once.
- HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 24th 2019, 5:13 am
Vorpal Blade wrote:HellfireUnit wrote:Contending with Magnaguards is impressive since even Anakin gets incapacitated by few of them and many struggle against a single guard.
There's different types of magnaguard though. They're not all the same.
There is no indication that they are inferior or superior to original ones. Both are IG-100 and share the same programming as I know. Either way Ti battled against dozen of them.
HeartoftheForceLevel Two
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 24th 2019, 5:55 am
Ti only ever battled two or three at once. Also Ti is noted for group fighting. So her skill in that area is disproportionate to her 1v1 skill. This is demonstrated by her being stymied by a single Magnaguard for minutes yet being able to fight 2 or 3.
This is without even touching that each Magnaguard is different due to their learning abilities and their enslavement to form. Ti's Magnaguard feat just doesn't hold up to scrutiny
This is without even touching that each Magnaguard is different due to their learning abilities and their enslavement to form. Ti's Magnaguard feat just doesn't hold up to scrutiny
- HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 24th 2019, 6:33 am
Greysentinel365 wrote:Ti only ever battled two or three at once. Also Ti is noted for group fighting. So her skill in that area is disproportionate to her 1v1 skill. This is demonstrated by her being stymied by a single Magnaguard for minutes yet being able to fight 2 or 3.
This is without even touching that each Magnaguard is different due to their learning abilities and their enslavement to form. Ti's Magnaguard feat just doesn't hold up to scrutiny
Where has it been stated that Ti's capability of group fighting? Ti was a user of Makashi and Ataru, solely focused on single combat. Her Makashi style is comparable to Dooku:
There is an understated elegance in Obi-Wan Kenobi's lightsaber technique, one that is quite unlike the feel one might get from great swordbeings of the Jedi Order. He lack entirely the flash, the pure bold elan of an Anakin Skywalker; there is no where in him the penumbral ferocity of a Mace Windu or a Depa Billaba nor the stylish grace of a Shaak Ti or a Dooku and he is nothing resembling the whirlwind of destruction that Yoda could become
About her Magnaguard feat, she single handedly defeats waves of them, even using their staff that something she isn't as proficient as saber combat. Despite being outnumbered and using a different form, she handled them and destroyed most with great skill. Even someone as skilled as Kenobi is outmatched by Magnaguards. How is that feat ain't legit Grey?
Three MagnaGuards, each with a double-ended weapon that generated an energy field impervious to lightsabers, each with reflexes that operated near lightspeed, each with hypersophisticated heuristic combat algorithms that enabled it to learn from experience and adapt its tactics instantly to any situation, were certainly beyond Obi-Wan's ability to defeat - RotS
- HeartoftheForceLevel Two
Re: TFU Shaak Ti vs Qui Gon Jinn
September 24th 2019, 7:02 am
Where has it been stated that Ti's capability of group fighting? Ti was a user of Makashi and Ataru, solely focused on single combat.
Here
Shaak Ti is one of the best Jedi fighters in group combat.
Star Wars Character Encyclopedia
Shaak Ti was a formidable combat specialist, expert in melee fighting in chaotic and densly packed conditions.
- Fact File SHA 1
The arena battle of Geonosis was Shaak Ti's kind of fight.
- Fact File SHA 3
Ti is noted to specialize in tight packed environments against multiple opponents. It's likely she overcompensated for her two styles weaknesses negating their strengths. Hence her weakness in 1v1 combat. Regardless this invalidates using her Magnaguard feat as an indication of her 1v1 prowess off the bat. But let's keep going.
Her Makashi style is comparable to Dooku:
Lol. No it's not. For one, grace and style are not skill. A dancer is more graceful than a MMA fighter. Doesn't mean they'll win. Moreover if you wish to see how worthless this quote is just look at the other comparison. Mace and Depa. Mace, while stabbed with a lightsaber , with no sleep, his throat slashed and on a DS nexus could deal with Depa. They're not comparable. Neither are Ti or Dooku. And even if you wish to say this applies to raw swordsmanship, so what? The force is what makes the difference.
About her Magnaguard feat, she single handedly defeats waves of them
She beats 5. Not a single on via bladework. Now how come she only see's success with the staff? Oh wait
Dooku had taught Grievous well, and Grievous had taught his elite well. Coupled with Dooku's coaching, their programming in the seven classic forms of lightsaber dueling - in the Jedi arts - made them lethal opponents. But they were not invincible, not even Grievous, because they could be confused by unpredictability, and they had no understanding of finesse. A player of dejarik could memorize all the classic openings and countermoves, and still not be a master of the game. Defeat often came at the hands of less experienced players who knew nothing about the traditional strategies. A professional fighter, a combat artist, could be defeated by a cantina brawler who knew nothing about form but everything about ending a conflict quickly, without a thought to winning gracefully or elegantly. Enslavement to form opened one to defeat by the unforeseen. This was often the failing of trained duelists, and it would be the failing of the Jedi Order.
- Labyrinth of Evil
Magnaguards are slaves to form. By switching to the staff, she stymied their programming. Hence why as you will notice, none of them even react to her moves But notice when we cut back to her after that and she's picked up the lightsaber
The guards stop dropping
Even someone as skilled as Kenobi is outmatched by Magnaguards
People always forget the next line of this
but it was not Obi-Wan who would defeat them; Obi-Wan wasn't even fighting. He was only a vessel, emptied of self. The Force, shaped by his skill and guided by his clarity of mind, fought through him.
- RotS Novel
You're right, a forceless Obi-Wan likely couldn't beat them. But Obi-Wan isn't forceless. Also a few lines up Kenobi one-shots one with far more efficiency than Ti ever did. And he didn't need a specialized environment and taking advantage of a flaw in the guards programming to do it.
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