Thought I had on Vader and Obi-Wan fighting before ANH

Galan007 wrote:If they actually fight one another in this show, it would cheapen their confrontation in ANH tremendously for me. Moreover, Vader's dialogue (ie. "When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the Master") becomes completely nonsensical. It would also retcon other canon supplementary material (like From A Certain POV and various guidebooks), which state that Vader and Kenobi only fought twice: during RotS and during ANH. So hopefully the "rematch of the century" blurb is just a red herring to help hype the show, and not literal.

Or like @KingKopecz mentioned: the "rematch" could refer to Kenobi/Vader engaging in a battle of wits from afar, and/or some sort of 'meta' confrontation... Which I'd be okay with.

Galan007 wrote:If they actually fight one another in this show, it would cheapen their confrontation in ANH tremendously for me. Moreover, Vader's dialogue(ie. "When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the Master") becomes completely nonsensical. It would also retcon other canon supplementary material(like From A Certain POV and various guidebooks), which state that Vader and Kenobi only fought twice: during RotS and during ANH. So hopefully the "rematch of the century" blurb is just a red herring to help hype the show, and not literal.

Or like @KingKopecz mentioned: the "rematch" could refer to Kenobi/Vader engaging in a battle of wits from afar, and/or some sort of 'meta' confrontation... Which I'd be okay with.

Mysteryman06 wrote:The supplementary material have the potential of getting retconned. Even the Lucasfilm Story Group thinks we shouldn't take those as 100% canon

Galan007 wrote:

Mysteryman06 wrote:The supplementary material have the potential of getting retconned. Even the Lucasfilm Story Group thinks we shouldn't take those as 100% canon

Of course. Retcons are a natural corollary in a system where all material is on equal footing in terms of canonicity.

My point was simply that in this particular case, retconning continuity in such a way that Kenobi/Vader have an additional fight in between RotS and ANH is wholly unneeded, and actually cheapens the build-up to their confrontation in ANH(and also renders some of the dialogue in the film itself obsolete and nonsensical.) It obviously can happen, but should it happen is the bigger question... /shrug

Gonna be honest here: I take statements/Tweets from the Storygroup with a grain of salt. They contradict themselves all the time, and often don't even seem to have a full grasp of what's going on within the franchise(Matt Martin is a perfect example.) Afaik, Disney's official stance is that all officially licensed/published material is canon, and there are no "canonical tiers" within the new system.

Mysteryman06 wrote:^ The EU was like this as well

BreakofDawn wrote:

Mysteryman06 wrote:^ The EU was like this as well

Never said it wasn't, but Disney Canon is unable to go 5 minutes without bringing back a fan-favourite character.

BreakofDawn wrote:
Never said it wasn't, but Disney Canon is unable to go 5 minutes without bringing back a fan-favourite character.

Meatpants wrote:Or we could just chill out because Canon is horrible. They're digging the grave.

TheNuisanceBird wrote:Wasn't it Filoni that said that despite her being a "Force ghost voice' in TROS she may still be alive? They really need to chill out with Ahsoka.

"I have to wonder with Star Wars fans," Filoni added. "They seem to watch the movies but they don't take all the lessons. They deal a lot in absolutes, which is very much a Sith thing. I remember in The Empire Strikes Back Luke speaking out through the force to Leia. Vader also does this at the end of Empire Strikes Back. There's no absoluteness that these people are dead. I mean, some of them we know are dead."

Presences filled her awareness, some recent, some ancient, some still anchored to the living in a strange way. Rey didn't understand. But she accepted.

Galan007 wrote:So yeah, I'm sure Ahsoka is still alive as of RoS.

TheNuisanceBird wrote:

Galan007 wrote:So yeah, I'm sure Ahsoka is still alive as of RoS.

Fuck.

The Found wrote:Killing Maul off in an episode of Rebels when this project was in the pipeline is yet another grand misfire on the part of nucanon.