Count Dooku vs Darth VADER and darth MAUL

BoD wrote:Vader could potentially solo if prime. Throwing in Maul means the team win decisively.

Why can Vader potentially beat the Count?

BoD wrote:

Why can Vader potentially beat the Count?

While the Count has a skill and agility edge, Vader has raw strength and intimate knowledge of the Count's fighting style, and he's separated himself enough from Anakin that he won't fight exactly like Anakin (which would give Dooku an easy win due to his reduced agility and mobility). His technique also borrows from virtually every form and style, meaning that his technique is difficult to counter from a purely technical standpoint. Vader will also be more heavily motivated to kill Dooku due to his personal hatred for him and desire to rid himself of the past, meaning that he'll be even more ruthless and dangerous than before. Vader should be able to pressure Dooku until Dooku begins to tire and is unable to refresh himself with Vader continuing his onslaught. 

It's by no means an easy fight, but Vader has the right combination of physicals, knowledge and skill to fight someone of Dooku's caliber and edge him out due to a vastly different fighting technique, strength and knowledge of his opponent's fighting technique.

Throwing in Maul on top of that puts the win firmly in the team's court.

Can you tell why?

LOTL wrote:You have not given any reason why Vader has the edge in power here

LOTL wrote:You have not given any reason why Vader has the edge in power here

Meatpants wrote:Physical strength is tied directly to Force power though - for example, Yoda's strength is better than Vader's. So like, where is Vader > Dooku in strength coming from?

Sure, Vader has borrowed from every style, but Dooku has taught the seven forms of lightsaber combat for many decades, and clearly his personal style has no real faults. In fact, it's hard to find any reason why Vader's knowledge of lightsaber combat should be better than the Count's.

Physical strength is tied directly to Force power though - for example, Yoda's strength is better than Vader's. So like, where is Vader > Dooku in strength coming from?

He could probably adjust the servodrivers and pistons in his forearms to provide his hands with strength enough to crush the hilt
of his new lightsaber. With the power of his arms alone, he had the ability to lift an adult being off the ground. But the Force had always given him the ability to do that, especially in moments of rage, as he had demonstrated on Tatooine and elsewhere.

- The Rise of Darth Vader

Yoda pushed up a gear, shifting Dooku’s blade away and launching a frightening attack,

- The Official Star Wars Fact File 65 

COUNT DOOKU whirls his lightsaber in a formal salute. YODA
draws his lightsaber. Suddenly, COUNT DOOKU charges across
the space at YODA. He rains down blows upon the tiny
figure. YODA doesn't budge an inch. For the first part of
the contest, he parries every cut and thrust that COUNT
DOOKU aims. Nothing the great swordsman tries gets through.
His energy drains. His strokes become feeble, slower.

YODA attacks! He flies forward. COUNT DOOKU is forced to
retreat. Words are insufficient to describe the range and
skill of YODA's speed and swordplay. His lightsaber his a
humming blur of light. Finally, their blades cross and the
fighting slows.

AOTC third draft (Jar Jar's Big Adventure)

Yoda’s green blade caught the blow, holding the red lightsaber at bay, locking the two in a contest of strength, physical and of the Force. “
Fought well, you have, my old Padawan,” Yoda congratulated, and his lightsaber began to move out, just a bit, forcing Dooku back.

- AOTC novel

Watching Yoda use Form IV is most impressive. His tiny frame and incredible leaping ability transformed him into a miniature tornado of cutting energy as he used Form IV in attempts to overwhelm Count Dooku and the Emperor's defenses. Form IV is also called the Way of the Hawkbat, or the Aggression Form. Those classically trained, like Count Dooku, dismissed Form IV as ridiculous acrobatics with exaggerated flourishes meant to mask obvious exposures of vital contact zones. Anakin's last leap over Obi-Wan in Episode III which resulted in him losing his limbs would support Dooku's assessment.

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When Yoda uses Form IV, he is but a blur.

- Fightsaber: Mastering the Art of Lightsaber Combat

OBI-WAN comes in fast, swinging at COUNT DOOKU's head.
DOOKU parries the cut easily. As they fight, it quickly
becomes clear that DOOKU is the complete swordsman,
elegant, graceful, classical - a master of the old style.

COUNT DOOKU: Master Kenobi, you disappoint me. Yoda holds
you in such high esteem.

COUNT DOOKU parries another cut and then thrusts. OBI-WAN
steps back quickly, panting for breath.

COUNT DOOKU: Come, come, Master Kenobi. Put me out of my
misery.

OBI-WAN takes a deep breath, gets a fresh grip on his
lightsaber and comes in again. For a moment, he drives
COUNT DOOKU back. Then DOOKU's superior skill begins to
tell again, and he forces OBI-WAN to retreat.

COUNT DOOKU increases the tempo of his attack. OBI-WAN is
pushed to the limit to defend himself. DOOKU presses. His
lightsaber flashes.

- AOTC script (Jar Jar's Big Adventure)

Sure, Vader has borrowed from every style, but Dooku has taught the seven forms of lightsaber combat for many decades, and clearly his personal style has no real faults. In fact, it's hard to find any reason why Vader's knowledge of lightsaber combat should be better than the Count's.

> Korriban wrote:Vader has disporportionate physical strength though. Vader's arms alone provide him "feats of strength" greater than Anakin had and he has the technologies from fallen CIS commander General Grevious.